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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#41226: Aug 24th 2016 at 6:31:46 AM

Eh, I always saw Jasper's general dickishness and interactions as her putting up a front. This all felt like the logical conclusion to that.

Oh really when?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41227: Aug 24th 2016 at 6:34:47 AM

And that's fair, but that was never my impression and it still generally isn't. So, there's not point in going further with that.

Again, I don't get being defensive about this, I didn't say it was necessarily going to be handled badly.

edited 24th Aug '16 6:41:43 AM by LSBK

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#41228: Aug 24th 2016 at 6:39:45 AM

Jasper may also face discrimination due to being from Earth, and from a rather terrible Kindergarten to boot. I wouldn't be surprised if her hero status is only among the lower soldier-class, like the Rubies and Quartz.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#41229: Aug 24th 2016 at 6:40:29 AM

That too. Peridot talked like one's Kindergarten played a huge deal in one's status.

Oh really when?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41230: Aug 24th 2016 at 6:43:24 AM

More like how you come out is a part of your status and most of the Gems from Jasper's Kindergarten were "wrong" or something. That wouldn't apply to Jasper because she came out "perfect".

Also, I don't see why you'd assume being from Earth would entail discrimination, when was that implied?

edited 24th Aug '16 6:43:59 AM by LSBK

Groverman62 Since: Feb, 2016
#41231: Aug 24th 2016 at 6:59:15 AM

Well it is a planet where a Diamond got shattered and was just an overall failure as a colony, I can see the Gems coming from there being outcasts

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#41232: Aug 24th 2016 at 6:59:49 AM

Peridot treated Jasper as a joke until she saw her hole. She had no knowledge on how perfect Jasper was regarded as, but she was aware of her Kindergarten. As I said, I wouldn't be surprised if Jasper's fame only extends to her social class: the grunts of Homeworld, like the Rubies and Quartz (Quartz are high, but only relative to Rubies and maybe Peridots; they're still non-aristocratic soldiers). Yellow Diamond sees her as just another Jasper, and the technicians and scientists like Peridot show no admiration for her. But Peridot could tell what Kindergarten she hails from, and finds it funny.

I'm guessing because Earth is hated back on Homeworld. Jasper likewise hates herself for coming from Earth, and I see no reason for only Jasper to feel that way.

edited 24th Aug '16 7:05:10 AM by SilentColossus

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41233: Aug 24th 2016 at 7:01:48 AM

Peridot is Peridot and I doubt the Diamons think too highly of anyone who isn't them. Why would YD care about one jasper, anyway?

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#41234: Aug 24th 2016 at 7:07:56 AM

She wouldn't. Because Jasper is still just a Jasper, trapped in her caste despite coming out "perfect." Despite being regarded as a hero. And due to Homeworld's caste system, she might be seen as just another Quartz, from Earth, from the bad Kindergarten, by anyone who isn't a soldier.

edited 24th Aug '16 7:12:13 AM by SilentColossus

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41235: Aug 24th 2016 at 7:11:34 AM

Also, Peridot not realizing Jasper came out perfectly makes no sense. She was able to tell just by looking at Amethyst which hole she emerged from, and could tell which hole was Jasper's on sight. Given that she brags she's a certified "kindergartner" and was literally made for that purpose, I think she just got caught up in trying to cheer up Amethyst without thinking.

And since Peridot was literally made for noticing these things, I wouldn't take her as an indication of how much most Homeworld Gems care about emergent holes and such.

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#41236: Aug 24th 2016 at 7:14:27 AM

i wonder how shed take it that yellow gave enough of a rats ass to send a ruby platoon just for her

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#41237: Aug 24th 2016 at 7:16:21 AM

Whats most interesting to me is that it draws another parallel between Amethyst and Jasper even though from Amethyst's perspective Jasper 'has it all' they both find fusion as a way to put a band-aid on their hurts

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MsAmiClassified Tired of givin' up the ghost from the fucking ocean Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#41238: Aug 24th 2016 at 7:17:29 AM

"You're the one good thing that came out of this mess."

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SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#41239: Aug 24th 2016 at 7:19:13 AM

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Then everyone has even less reason to see Jasper as special. Aside from other soldiers.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#41240: Aug 24th 2016 at 7:20:14 AM

Amethyst called Jasper her sister at the end. And her VA said something about that line too during her AMA.

Basically amounting to Amethyst realizing after Jasper's breakdown that her entire obsession with beating her was pointless because she and Jasper are the same.

Oh really when?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41241: Aug 24th 2016 at 7:21:43 AM

[up][up]I never argued that everyone saw Jasper as special (beyond being a Quartz). I was just saying I see no reason to assume she was discriminated against for being made on Earth.

edited 24th Aug '16 7:22:17 AM by LSBK

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#41242: Aug 24th 2016 at 7:24:08 AM

And Earth is the planet where a Diamond was shattered. I could very easily see discrimination against Gems created there resulting from that

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41243: Aug 24th 2016 at 7:26:54 AM

Possibly, but that's by no means a given. And the way Peridot talked had less to do with her being from Earth and more to do with her being from the shitty kindergarten, which like I said before, didn't really make sense, but evaporated once she saw the hole.

Peridot certainly didn't hold anything against Amethyst for being from Earth.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#41244: Aug 24th 2016 at 9:14:39 AM

Unrelated: I am very happy. That Jasper zine should be under $20 per preorder! Plus it's gonna be graphic novel sized, and I actually have a shot at being in it!

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41245: Aug 24th 2016 at 9:19:27 AM

I hope your work gets picked.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#41246: Aug 24th 2016 at 9:48:48 AM

I think you're all misreading what Rebecca said. Jasper doesn't think she deserves help from anyone not just Steven. She said Jasper hates herself because she doesn't like being seen as weak, not because of anything she did to anyone.

The episode already told us this so it's not anything new. Jasper said as much in the episode, that any gem that's weak and doesn't fit into the order of things, just doesn't deserve to exist. So she just thinks the same of herself, because she keeps losing to fusions.

edited 24th Aug '16 9:51:02 AM by xanderiskander

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#41247: Aug 24th 2016 at 9:50:27 AM

I think it goes a lot deeper than just losing to fusions.

Rebecca said Jasper went to earth to finally face her demons. This has been haunting her for a looooong time.

And she lost.

Oh really when?
xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#41248: Aug 24th 2016 at 9:51:50 AM

She also apparently sees Earth as a personal failure. A gem that comes from a failed colony is probably seen as a failure themselves by other gems. Or at least that's what Jasper thinks.

Which we also knew she came back to Earth to face her regrets because of "Back To The Moon". So not new either.

edited 24th Aug '16 9:56:25 AM by xanderiskander

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#41249: Aug 24th 2016 at 9:58:30 AM

She did say she was looking forward to pounding Rose into the ground. You don't get any closer to your demons than that.


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