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SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#40876: Aug 18th 2016 at 8:18:01 AM

I think such stuff can be avoided due to the fact that Gems are largely immortal (or at least very long lived). Everyone is comfortable in their current position, and all the higher ups have been in their position since the dawn of the empire. At least since the creation of their Diamond, if the Diamonds are different ages.

If Pink is the youngest Diamond, they may only be created when the empire gets too large to manage under the current number of Diamonds. It'd be impossible to rule over the empire by yourself, so no one tries to usurp power.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#40877: Aug 18th 2016 at 8:24:50 AM

[up] If everyone were comfortable in their current position, I doubt the gem empire would be expanding as it is/was.

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#40878: Aug 18th 2016 at 8:46:41 AM

Other possibilities:

  • The caste-based politics and culture would make Diamond in-fighting impossible. Gems are so conditioned to believe that every Gem has a purpose, that every Gems is created and works for the good of the empire, that the Diamonds fighting among each other would show them to be petty and greedy. Look at Peridot's reaction to Yellow Diamond; Yellow is supposed to be the most logical, pragmatic being ever. Instead she is a petty tyrant driven by grudges and anger. The Diamonds are perfect leaders. If they fight for petty power, then they're not the perfect leaders, so why follow them? I suspect the only gems in the empire who know who their Diamonds are behind closed doors are those Diamond's Pearls, and perhaps the other Diamonds.
  • The Empire is simply too powerful. Look at how devastating Rose's Rebellion was; imagine that across a Galactic scale. It'd rip the Empire apart.

In all likelyhood it is a combination of reasons.

edited 18th Aug '16 9:12:06 AM by SilentColossus

hcobb Since: Jan, 2001
#40879: Aug 18th 2016 at 9:10:58 AM

wild mass guess WD wants PD restored. YD wants to prevent this, but can't state this openly. Hence conflict between capturing and shattering the Rose Quartz.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#40880: Aug 18th 2016 at 9:20:44 AM

They wouldn't really kill Rosey...they're too nice. They actually want to congratulate her for standing up to the Diamondo, and then permit her to being the new Pink Diamond.

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#40881: Aug 18th 2016 at 9:34:28 AM

To be fair, Rose's healing tears let her smaller army hold their own against the Empire

Without something like that, any other rebellion could be ground down by attrition and the Diamond weapon wave whatever is an exceptional detterant

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#40882: Aug 18th 2016 at 9:38:11 AM

They'd at least give other rebels a chance to surrender.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#40883: Aug 18th 2016 at 9:44:18 AM

They'd at least give other rebels a chance to surrender.
Are you talking other hypothetical rebellions?

Even if they took Lapis alive to interrogated her, I'm pretty sure Homeworld was planning to kill every single defector eventually.

edited 18th Aug '16 9:45:34 AM by thatother1dude

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#40884: Aug 18th 2016 at 9:58:43 AM

[up][up][up] I doubt the corruption wave is common knowledge. Even for the ones who left the planet, they may have not known what it specifically did, after they left, just that it was something really bad.

edited 18th Aug '16 10:03:48 AM by xanderiskander

RokukeShiba Since: Nov, 2014
#40885: Aug 18th 2016 at 10:30:46 AM

wild mass guess What if there were more diamonds then those 4? Each diamond having their own piece of the pie till they started to want the other diamonds colonies and kicked off a really long war between all the diamonds till those 4 are left, being the strongest ones to survive a war like this. Then they made a alliance of sorts to band together to share the spoils and not to attack each other. Starting the gem empire.

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#40886: Aug 18th 2016 at 10:38:53 AM

That seems to be the case about Jasper. She has no idea why her Quartz conscripts are so wild and feral. If she knew that the Diamonds did that, it might change her opinion, but it still wouldn't matter. She's doing this for the sake of Pink, not the others.

When the scope of revenge is that personal and focused, I don't see how she could ever be convinced unless any gratitude would be so strong after being uncorrupted it would convince her to stop. All fairly unlikely in my book.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#40887: Aug 18th 2016 at 10:39:13 AM

[up][up][up][up]If Rosey wasn't the one who rebelled, yeah.

edited 18th Aug '16 10:39:33 AM by randomness4

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40889: Aug 18th 2016 at 10:43:51 AM

From the way Jasper was talking, even if she did find out the Diamonds did that, assuming she doesn't know now, she'd probably say they deserved it for being weak enough to get stuck on Earth.

And Jasper might have a personal grudge, but I think she still beholds herself to the Diamonds. They might not be her Diamond, but Diamonds probably command absolute respect from all Gems, whether they're personally theirs or not.

We saw how Eyeball thinks of Pink Diamond and by extension Rose.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#40890: Aug 18th 2016 at 10:47:33 AM

[up]In fact Jasper basically said that to the corrupted gem, in Earthlings. That it deserved it, I mean.

edited 18th Aug '16 10:48:10 AM by xanderiskander

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40891: Aug 18th 2016 at 10:51:14 AM

That's what I was referencing. Assuming she doesn't know the exact circumstances, I doubt finding them out would change her opinion of the matter.

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
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#40892: Aug 18th 2016 at 11:19:02 AM

Hate to barge in like this, but... I've been rewatching a lot of SU today, and I've brainstormed a big ol' bunch of questions about the gems. A lot of them are very relevant to what we've been discussing lately, and I don't know where else to post them since I'd rather not clog up the Headscratchers and WMG pages, so here goes:

  • Are all gems produced for the purpose of serving the Diamonds? It seems to be the case, since I don't think we've seen a single gem who wasn't at one point assigned to a Diamond, with the possible exception of Lapis. But if that's true, then did gems as a race exist before the Diamonds rose to power? And if they didn't, then where did the Diamonds even come from?
  • Is it possible that there could be another Garnet? If a random Ruby fuses with a random Sapphire, do they still form a Garnet, or something else?
  • What exactly was Amethyst supposed to be? Does a properly formed Amethyst look like a purple Jasper?
  • Is it just me, or does Peridot have way more potential as a fighter than we've been lead to believe? Think about it: we know now she has the power of magnetism. Her powers are kind of weak since she's just now getting used to them, but that should change with coming episodes. The reason I'm bringing this up is that half the cast of this show consists of, well, gems. And some gems respond strongly to magnetism.
    • What I'm saying is that Peridot's Magneto powers could be the closest thing we have to bloodbending in this show.
  • Speaking of Peridot, why haven't we heard from Yellow Diamond since Message Received? Considering how shocked and appalled she was at the message Peridot sent her, you'd think she would have ordered some kind of offensive measures against the earth by now.
  • What exactly are the limits of Steven's healing powers? We saw in Monster Reunion that he's capable of mending inanimate objects with his saliva. But if he can do that, then what can't he fix? And how does he eat? Wouldn't anything he tried to eat be instantly reformed in his mouth every time he tried to chew it?

edited 18th Aug '16 11:22:53 AM by TyeDyeWildebeest

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#40893: Aug 18th 2016 at 11:26:56 AM

Those first 1 question(s) have pretty simple obvious answers.

1. Yes, all Gems are made for respective Diamondo.

2. Yes...but not likely, because Sapphires are apparently rare..

3. She'd look the same but bigger...Rosey doesn't look like Jaspee despite both being Quartz.

5. Yeah, YD would totally sent forces to Earth all because of a Randomness Peridot Gem that she has every reason to assume is blown up.

edited 18th Aug '16 11:35:05 AM by randomness4

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#40894: Aug 18th 2016 at 11:50:55 AM

1) Gems are created to serve diamonds

Peridot: we were all made to serve them, even though some of us... don't anymore...
2)Would a ruby and sapphire still make a garnet?

A: Probably. Though they would probably look different, Garnet's original form looked way different than it does now. Different gems having a different state of mind would probably produce a very different, or at least somewhat different form than our Garnet.

3) What was Amethyst supposed to be?

Peridot: Well, you're a quartz. They're huge, loyal soldiers. You should be twice your size. Broad shouldered, intimidating. But you simply stayed in the ground too long.
4)What exactly are the limits of Steven's healing powers?
Steven: Oh no! MC Bear-Bear, you've got a tear-tear!

(Steven reveals a tear in MC Bear-Bear's arm.)

Steven: I should have been more careful. We've lost too many good bears. Don't worry. You're hurt, but I'll look after you. Mwah! [Gasps]

Steven: Wait! That's it! Happiness, my floating power's tied to my emotions. (Facepalms) Ugh, right, just like all my stupid powers!

Basically feeling empathy for something allows him to heal it.

edited 18th Aug '16 11:54:16 AM by xanderiskander

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#40895: Aug 18th 2016 at 11:56:20 AM

What of Stephen's ability to create sentient plants? That seemed to be completely unrelated to his emotions...It must just be seeds.

edited 18th Aug '16 11:57:11 AM by randomness4

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TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#40896: Aug 18th 2016 at 11:57:36 AM

5. Yeah, YD would totally sent forces to Earth all because of a Randomness Peridot Gem that she has every reason to assume is blown up.

Oh, wow. Now that I think about it, that WAS a really stupid question. My apologies.

Still, wouldn't she at least send down a scout to make sure that Operation Cluster was still underway or something?

Regarding question 1, though... I'm still curious whether the gems as a species existed before the Diamonds, or if the Diamonds simply conquered them at one point.

edited 18th Aug '16 11:58:28 AM by TyeDyeWildebeest

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#40897: Aug 18th 2016 at 11:57:39 AM

Peridot says there aren't corrupted Gems on Homeworld, which points to their very existence being unheard of, never mind how they come to be.

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#40898: Aug 18th 2016 at 12:03:52 PM

We're probably not going to get an answer to the injector or the gem problem. They have no reason to ask that question. And it's probably more interesting if left ambiguous.

TyeDyeWildebeest Unreasonably Quirky from Big Rock Candy Mountain Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: How does it feel to treat me like you do?
Unreasonably Quirky
#40899: Aug 18th 2016 at 12:11:14 PM

[up] Yeah, I figured. I was just curious if anyone else was wondering the same thing.

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#40900: Aug 18th 2016 at 12:12:34 PM

Diamonds for all their superiority and tough skins, are still Gems. You can shatter one, presumably poof them, and they have hard light constructs. Just ya know, really, really, really, really, really tough.


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