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SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#40751: Aug 16th 2016 at 8:46:54 PM

Perhaps, but I don't see much evidence for it yet. Peridot is just as much a scientist as she is a technician - she can build and fix a ship, knows how to work a Kindergarten, and understands how the Cluster experiments work. Yet she is fully under Yellow Diamond.

Centi was almost certainly under Pink. She was helping to colonize Earth, and her Diamond symbol is mysteriously covered on her space suit.

Jasper is a Quartz, made on Earth, and was Pink's until her death. Eyeball was also near Pink until her shattering, so she was presumably also under her.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#40752: Aug 16th 2016 at 8:48:49 PM

People hypothesized on the tropes page that each caste of gem is associated with a particular Diamond

Wait, people are putting fan theories in the actual trope pages?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40753: Aug 16th 2016 at 8:49:49 PM

Eyeball referred to PD as Jasper's original Diamond, implying that wasn't the case for herself.

edited 16th Aug '16 8:59:04 PM by LSBK

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#40755: Aug 16th 2016 at 9:04:35 PM

I'm going to remind people again of that quiz Sugar made that mentioned "yellow gems" were scientists and "blue gems" were diplomats.

Peridot is just as much a scientist as she is a technician - she can build and fix a ship, knows how to work a Kindergarten, and understands how the Cluster experiments work.
In theory, she's a mechanic(al engineer) certified as an obstetrician, but in practice seems closer to an Omnidisciplinary Scientist—at least in terms of any subject a Homeworld scientist could know of. But maybe that's just because she's "smarter than the average Peridot".

hell if I know for pink.
Jasper and Rose worked for Pink Diamond, so if a caste is Diamond-specific, Quartzes would have been hers back then before Yellow Diamond took over.

If the officers belong to one diamond, the quartermasters to another, the common soldiers to a third, and the spies and special forces to a fourth, that's a workable arrangement.
Centipeetle apparently belonged to a pilot/explorer caste, which (also) includes nephrite, so it could be a sort of army/air force divide.

hcobb Since: Jan, 2001
#40756: Aug 16th 2016 at 9:10:38 PM

We've got biosignatures in 4 Gyr rocks, so perhaps Gems require some level of life to sort out the isotopes for their production.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#40757: Aug 16th 2016 at 9:16:30 PM

[up] They almost certainly require reasonably developed life to reproduce, otherwise I can't imagine they'd bother with places like Earth where there's potentially dangerous (or at least obnoxious) fauna.

They could even seed planets like Mars with microbes themselves to if that's all they needed.

edited 16th Aug '16 9:18:13 PM by CaptainCapsase

Malco from the Gungeon Since: Oct, 2015
#40758: Aug 16th 2016 at 9:48:25 PM

Are there gem colonies on earth or something?

How'd Amethyst end up alone in Pinkie Pie's rock farm a quarry?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40759: Aug 16th 2016 at 9:50:05 PM

Earth was a colony but it was abandoned. Amethyst, for some reason, emerged like 500 years after all the other Gems in her kindergarten.

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#40760: Aug 17th 2016 at 4:50:06 AM

edited 17th Aug '16 5:06:36 AM by SilentColossus

Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#40761: Aug 17th 2016 at 5:09:42 AM

Don't you people ever sleep?

How do the puns and wordplay work in the original Gem language?

That's none of our Bismuth.

Orson-Welles clap.gif

-stares blankly at this discussion-

I like Jasper because she's orange and looks fun to hug.

[tup]

edited 17th Aug '16 5:10:32 AM by Austin

Karalora Since: Jan, 2001
#40762: Aug 17th 2016 at 7:21:11 AM

So apologies if this conversation has been had and exhausted already, but does anyone else feel like music is going to be hugely important to not just the presentation of the show, but the actual plot? Let's look at the ways music has been involved with the plot so far:

  • Rose was initially attracted to Greg because of his music.
  • Steven has inherited Greg's musical talent, and frequently composes and performs songs, spontaneously, as a way of connecting with others.
  • Gems achieve fusion by dancing, discovering a way of synchronizing their different personalities via the medium and metaphor of music.
  • Steven interprets the description of the Corruption weapon as "a song." And this isn't just a kid with a lifestyle steeped in music interpreting everything through that lens. The line goes "A sound...a song?" He narrows it down in response to Centipeetle's prompting.

I would not be surprised if music turns out to be the key to curing Corruption. Maybe Rose even sought out a musician to father her child for that very reason.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#40763: Aug 17th 2016 at 7:22:22 AM

So Steven has to play a nice song for Jasper, while avoiding all of her monster attacks. Alright then.

MsAmiClassified Tired of givin' up the ghost from the fucking ocean Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Tired of givin' up the ghost
#40764: Aug 17th 2016 at 7:41:56 AM

wild mass guessand make sure she doesnt try Suicide by Cop

...i read too much fanfic ok?

moved to Oceanstuck because this handle was starting to bother me my tumblr
xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
MsAmiClassified Tired of givin' up the ghost from the fucking ocean Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Tired of givin' up the ghost
#40766: Aug 17th 2016 at 7:52:45 AM

plot instinct deems that centipeetle and her crew are first in line to be uncorrupted, barring surprises

though jaspy still has the plot weight to be one of the first after them

moved to Oceanstuck because this handle was starting to bother me my tumblr
Karalora Since: Jan, 2001
#40767: Aug 17th 2016 at 8:02:07 AM

[up][up] One part that, one part What Can Kill Can Cure.

Which apparently isn't a trope.

edited 17th Aug '16 8:04:39 AM by Karalora

YamiVizziniX Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
#40768: Aug 17th 2016 at 8:16:42 AM

I've said before that the softie in me would like to see Jasper redeemed, but it just occurred to me that there's a reason why she should be. Not because of her, necessarily, but because of Malachite.

Malachite has been described as the embodiment of a toxic relationship and all sorts of negative emotions, and rightfully so. But this also makes it easier to forget, in her case, that fusions are characters in their own right, and by extension this makes her a completely negative character. Not in the sense of, say, Marty or Kevin- they're dicks and they choose to be dicks, and they may or may not ever grow out of it- or Jasper and Eyeball- who have been subsumed in Homeworld's classism and imperialism from hatching and may or may not ever get past that- or even the Diamonds, about whose origin we know nothing but presumably grew into evil in their own way. Malachite is the sole character, sole being, in the show who is considered an intrinsic abomination- who would be better off not existing (unless you count the Cluster and the other forced fusions, and even they are mostly pitied and the Cluster more or less had a Heel–Face Turn). And that goes against the whole grain of the show- not everyone may choose good in the end, but it's ultimately their choice.

Of course, considering the subtext, if Lapis and Jasper ever did fuse again, that could send a suboptimal message too- that any toxic relationship will heal eventually- but heck, I imagine some abusers do turn themselves around eventually, even if you shouldn't hold your breath and wait around for it.

Imagine Alexandrite and Malachite fighting side by side against the Diamonds, is all I'm saying.

There is no beginning. There is no end. There is only... Hooty.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#40769: Aug 17th 2016 at 8:29:19 AM

As if we needed more evidence that Steven is the bard

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#40770: Aug 17th 2016 at 8:31:05 AM

Malachites not the first fusion that just doesn't work as a relationship. Sugilite was like that before her. And anyway I don't think any fusions aside from Garnet are going to get a lot of depth really.

edited 17th Aug '16 8:33:45 AM by xanderiskander

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#40771: Aug 17th 2016 at 8:36:45 AM

@Malco. Yeah dude, if you're not caught up, you probably shouldn't stick around here. It's kind of assumed everyone's caught up and we throw spoilers around casually. We could try to spoiler some stuff, but the sheer amount of characters and concepts that qualify as a Walking Spoiler would reduce most of these pages to a bunch of whited splotches.

More on topic, I agree with the importance of melody. Garnet's first advice to Steven was to keep the harmony, part of what attracted Rose to Greg was his music and it's probably no accident that one of the nicest and most decent people is a musician. That and the dA's association with a harsh, overpowering blanket of sound as their motif is significant, not only from a characterization standpoint but also a hint to what their corruption bomb was.

Also worth noting that the first thing Centi recognized was Steven singing the Chaaaps jingle, and not the Chaaaps themselves.

Karalora Since: Jan, 2001
#40772: Aug 17th 2016 at 8:54:12 AM

Sugilite was like that before her.

Imagine a social circle of several people. Two of them are really into monster truck rallies, and no one else in the group is, so sometimes they'll go to one without the others and have a great time. But whenever they try to hang out together outside of that context, they realize they have nothing else in common and just bring out the worst in each other and hurt each other's feelings. They need the insulating effect of the rest of the group to get along when they're not at a monster truck rally.

That's Sugilite.

edited 17th Aug '16 8:56:44 AM by Karalora

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#40773: Aug 17th 2016 at 8:59:14 AM

Sugilite terrifies me,she;s practically unstoppable thanks to her strength.

edited 17th Aug '16 8:59:30 AM by Ultimatum

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Karalora Since: Jan, 2001
#40774: Aug 17th 2016 at 9:06:39 AM

My point is that Sugilite isn't really an inherently toxic relationship, but she only works for one thing.

And that's okay. It's okay to have a friend that you only share one thing with, so the friendship never goes any deeper than that. It's not okay to have a "friendship" or "romance" like Malachite, however.

I honestly can't see Malachite ever being a positive presence. Even if Jasper is cured and does a 100% sincere Heel–Face Turn, she and Lapis are both too scarred by that experience to get anything good out of it.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40775: Aug 17th 2016 at 9:20:24 AM

To be fair, Malachite was never actually given the chance to develop her own personality, and I am curious what she would turn into under healthier circumstances, but I really don't see that actually being a thing.

Even if Jasper is redeemed, I just don't see fusion with Lapis as something that's going to happen again. But either way, "Jasper needs to be redeemed so we can see this fusion again/so this fusion isn't considered bad" just strikes me as very flimsy reasoning.

edited 17th Aug '16 9:21:41 AM by LSBK


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