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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#40701: Aug 16th 2016 at 6:25:17 PM

[up] Their technology does require maintenance however, and some ecological models that attempt to incorporate humans treat technology as an extension of our species.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#40702: Aug 16th 2016 at 6:26:47 PM

(why they attacked Sapphire)
I previously assumed Rose and Pearl were after Sapphire, but looking over it again, I think Pearl was just poofing her because she was in the way. Still not sure what the actual goal was; it may have been to get to Blue Diamond—if only to send her a message at this point.

They are The Needless and thus only need resources to be created.
But they inevitably die, so they need at least a slow "birth" rate to have a stable population instead of being a (slowly) Dying Race.

edited 16th Aug '16 6:27:40 PM by thatother1dude

RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
True colors
#40703: Aug 16th 2016 at 6:28:21 PM

Yeah but as I said before there's no need for thier growth to take up literally everywhere especially when multiple planets are involved.

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40704: Aug 16th 2016 at 6:29:31 PM

Do we know for a fact that Gems can naturally die? I mean, probability wise, living as long as they do, something will eventually damage all of their gems beyond repair, but barring that, do we know if their gems ever just give out? Has anyone on the Crewniverse said something about that?

edited 16th Aug '16 6:30:23 PM by LSBK

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#40705: Aug 16th 2016 at 6:29:52 PM

[up][up] Though certain resolutions of the Fermi Paradox might suggest that isn't the case, it's difficult to imagine that a society capable of doing so would not expand to fill all available space.

edited 16th Aug '16 6:30:01 PM by CaptainCapsase

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#40706: Aug 16th 2016 at 6:30:52 PM

I like to think humans and other intelligent species would be able to find a way to co-exist, and not end up destroying each other as ecological competition.

edited 16th Aug '16 6:31:21 PM by SilentColossus

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#40707: Aug 16th 2016 at 6:32:07 PM

[up] Beyond a handful of us (or them) being kept around as novelties (at best herded into reservations, at worst kept as pets), that seems quite doubtful to me if the technology difference is as great as between gems and prehistoric humans; the only real world example we have of two societies with vast technological differences coming into contact with one another ended rather poorly.

To clarify, I'm alluding to the European colonization of the Americas, wherein 95% of the native population died due to the accidental spread of disease and the rest were rapidly conquered and enslaved, and the technological gap is infinitely smaller in that case.

edited 16th Aug '16 6:36:05 PM by CaptainCapsase

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#40709: Aug 16th 2016 at 6:39:25 PM

Whether or not the spread of disease was intentional or accidental, the colonization of the Americas was due to greed, imperialism, and racism. It was a moral failure on behalf of the European powers (and later the colonial powers), and should be vilified. Not treated as a natural occurrence due to technological differences, which is dancing around it instead of treating it as the horrible thing it was.

edited 16th Aug '16 6:42:09 PM by SilentColossus

RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#40710: Aug 16th 2016 at 6:42:39 PM

Caprase always takes the most cynical interpretation of human motives and admitably this view is more justified with Gems. However from everything the show has portrayed Gems apathy toward organic life is cultural not engrained in thier biology.

edited 16th Aug '16 6:43:13 PM by RhymeBeat

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#40711: Aug 16th 2016 at 6:45:09 PM

I disagree that modern society is fundamentally different. More pragmatic and better at predicting the consequences of our actions sure, but not so fundamentally different that we (in aggregate) wouldn't be every bit as brutal and heartless as our ancestors were in the right circumstances. In fact, in living memory we've been every bit as brutal, if not more so.

Colonialism and 19th century imperialism came to an end mostly because of economic factors; it's true that opposition within the imperial powers played a role in its decline, but that's just another part of the economic calculus to account for, and when push comes to shove, a modern power can and will dupe its population into consenting to its wars of aggression should it feel the need to.

To return to the topic of Steven Universe, my real point is that, in the context of their own society, the actions of the gems towards other life would seem perfectly reasonable and necessary, and that human societies are every bit as capable of that kind of callousness in the right set of circumstances.

edited 16th Aug '16 6:49:44 PM by CaptainCapsase

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#40712: Aug 16th 2016 at 6:47:16 PM

-stares blankly at this discussion-

I like Jasper because she's orange and looks fun to hug.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#40713: Aug 16th 2016 at 6:48:07 PM

She does look fun to hug

Oh really when?
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40714: Aug 16th 2016 at 6:49:36 PM

I do wonder if we're ever going to meet any non-Gem aliens. It would be interesting to find out how Gemkind is perceived on an interstellar stage.

edited 16th Aug '16 6:53:26 PM by LSBK

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#40715: Aug 16th 2016 at 6:50:35 PM

I disagree that modern society is fundamentally different. More pragmatic and better at predicting the consequences of our actions sure, but not so fundamentally different that we (in aggregate) wouldn't be every bit as brutal and heartless as our ancestors were in the right circumstances. In fact, in living memory we've been every bit as brutal, if not more so.
Past wars were much more violent and destructive than current ones. Death tolls were much higher, and bloodier. And violence and war in general has been trending down since world war 2.

[up]I'm just waiting on them to use that space ship they stole to actually explore space.

edited 16th Aug '16 6:52:55 PM by xanderiskander

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#40716: Aug 16th 2016 at 6:50:45 PM

[up][up] I'd be partial to them being Germany in the galactic equivalent of 19th century geopolitics.

[up] The current "Pax Americana" may very well be as fleeting as the other periods of relative peace that preceded in history. Cracks are already beginning to appear.

edited 16th Aug '16 6:56:40 PM by CaptainCapsase

RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#40717: Aug 16th 2016 at 6:52:08 PM

We're talking proportionally. Human population in general is larger so the death toll itself was likely higher at least for the World Wars.

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#40718: Aug 16th 2016 at 6:54:58 PM

[up] The World Wars are pretty high up there both in per capita death tolls for armed conflicts and the highest in terms of absolute numbers. The other biggest per-capita killers are generally wars that happened in China due to its huge population.

edited 16th Aug '16 7:00:49 PM by CaptainCapsase

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#40719: Aug 16th 2016 at 6:59:48 PM

I'm very confused right now. What does the death toll of WWI have to do with SU???

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40720: Aug 16th 2016 at 7:01:17 PM

A bit of a derail somewhat related to what we were discussing.

Do you think Blue Diamond came to Earth after Pink Diamond was shattered to take over, or was her presence there just a bit of reinforcement with her court?

edited 16th Aug '16 7:01:58 PM by LSBK

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#40721: Aug 16th 2016 at 7:01:55 PM

[up][up] We were talking about the "morality" of gem society. My stance was that humans in a similar position of extreme technological superiority over another society would be very likely to behave similarly (the brutality of the world wars being an example to demonstrate how horrific humans can be in the right circumstances even in relatively recent history) should the weaker society possess important resources, and that ultimately, despite being aliens, Gems are Not So Different from us humans in many respects, and in many ways homeworld society reflects darker aspects of our own modern society, past, present, and probably future.

[up] Difficult to say; Rose could've kicked off the rebellion by shattering the diamond, but I would be inclined to think that's how she finished the fight, so to speak, if only for dramatic purposes, and the death of a diamond would definitely make for a good Godzilla Threshold that would prompt the other diamonds to use the corruption superweapon.

edited 16th Aug '16 7:15:40 PM by CaptainCapsase

Karalora Since: Jan, 2001
#40722: Aug 16th 2016 at 7:03:59 PM

Iiiiiisssss this thread still accepting new Tropers? I've actually been (mostly) following it for a while, but I haven't posted yet.

I got into SU a while ago, when the Week of Sardonyx was still fresh (it might have still been going on, actually; I didn't note the date and hadn't gotten the hang of the scheduling yet), but ever since the Summer of Steven I've just been agog. It feels like The Show I've Been Waiting For.

I even wrote a thing. (Ahem.)

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#40724: Aug 16th 2016 at 7:05:38 PM

I don't think we have a capacity limit.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
MsAmiClassified Tired of givin' up the ghost from the fucking ocean Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Tired of givin' up the ghost
#40725: Aug 16th 2016 at 7:08:54 PM

Hi Karolara. As long as you're either caught up or prepared for spoilers (and won't start drama) you can stick around as long as you want, don't worry.

*scrolls up*

uh

i too think jasper looks fun to hug

provided she doesnt rip my spine out for trying

moved to Oceanstuck because this handle was starting to bother me my tumblr

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