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hcobb Since: Jan, 2001
#40526: Aug 16th 2016 at 6:03:05 AM

I think the projection of human groupings onto these aliens is more ethnic than racial.

I.e. Bismuth as Jamaican and Garnet as African-English.

MsAmiClassified Tired of givin' up the ghost from the fucking ocean Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Tired of givin' up the ghost
#40527: Aug 16th 2016 at 6:36:53 AM

am i high or did hcobb just say something believable

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#40528: Aug 16th 2016 at 7:16:48 AM

a really cute Lizard Folk
Yeah, that head shape and super-short "anime nose" does make her look sort of like a cartoon inguana or Gunter (the dinosaur, not the penguin).

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#40529: Aug 16th 2016 at 7:45:18 AM

So when is the next episode premiering

kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#40530: Aug 16th 2016 at 7:49:55 AM

With all this talk of racial coding for Gems, I figure I might as well jump on the bandwagon. Just a warning though; some of you might be kind of dissapointed...

  • Garnet: Black
  • Pearl: White
  • Amythest: White
  • Peridot: White
  • Lapis: White
  • Jasper: White
  • Rose: White
  • Rubies: Black
  • Sapphire: White
  • Bismuth: Black
  • Opal: Indian
  • Sugulite: White
  • Sardonix: White
  • Alexandrite: White
  • Smokey: White
  • Malachite: White
  • Yellow Diamond: White

Not a lot of color, is there?tongue Yeah, I know it isn't exactly diverse, but for a character to be 'coded' to me, they need more than just having a certain voice actor; they also need to look the part. And so far, Garnet, Bismuth, Opal, and the Rubies are the only ones that look like anything other than whiter than whitebread, at least to me.

edited 16th Aug '16 7:50:30 AM by kkhohoho

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#40531: Aug 16th 2016 at 7:51:15 AM
Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#40532: Aug 16th 2016 at 7:52:54 AM

I don't like this false dichotomy of "people of color" and "white people". I realize this is off topic, but all this talk of racial coding just bothers me

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#40533: Aug 16th 2016 at 8:06:16 AM

How is it a false dichotomy?

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MsAmiClassified Tired of givin' up the ghost from the fucking ocean Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Tired of givin' up the ghost
#40534: Aug 16th 2016 at 8:08:56 AM

so about that Fantastic Nuke

do you think itd do something different if pink were in on it

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Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#40535: Aug 16th 2016 at 8:37:11 AM

I think the supposed unpersoning of Pink Diamond might be something the fandom deduced a bt presumptuously. In hindsight, all evidence suggests that Pink Diamond was simply removed from the Diamond logo because she was dead.

I think part of it was the fact that Peridot didn't seem to know who the Crystal Gems were when they introduced themselves, which led people to believe that Homeworld either covered up the rebellion, or removed certain facts about it from their history.

So now that Summer of Steven is over, any particular rankings you got?

I'd say one of my new favorites is Earthlings. Great portrayal of Jasper, a lot of important information is revealed, and Steven and Amethyst got some fantastic character moments.

Bismuth was a great episode, but I wouldn't quite put it as one of my favs. I will say that Steven's confrontation with Bismuth in the forge is easily one of my favorite moments of the show.

As for disliked episodes, The New Lars was a weird episode for me. I don't outright hate it like many people seem too, but I really don't understand what the hell they're trying to do with Lars. After not seeing him for so long, we see that he doesn't seem to have learned anything from previous episodes, and we also find out that the cool kids don't like him, and his parents are perfectly nice people who are afraid of him. I think it's nice to have a character who doesn't become a better person after just one focus episode, but while the Crystal Gems' long-term character development actually has them slowly overcoming their problems, Lars never seems to learn anything. Some people say that at least his and Sadie's relationship seems to be improving, but by this point I can't have faith that it'll actually stick, since Lars' character development never does.

I didn't outright hate "Kiki's Pizza Delievery", but I think it's one of the least notable episodes the show's ever had. I could think of almost nothing to say of it after the episode was finished. A big part of it is that I feel like we didn't learn anything interesting about Kiki or Jenny. We find out that Kiki is a bit of a pushover, and that Jenny kind of takes advantage of Kiki's genorosity, but doesn't complain when Kiki puts her foot down. Compared to episodes like "Frybo", the character conflict is kind of dull.

Bringing the discussion back to the Diamonds. I don't want the Diamonds to have a Token Good Teammate. However, there's no point in Homeworld having multiple leaders if they all have the same personality. I'm hoping they're all villainous in different ways. Perhaps some of them will dip into Blue-and-Orange Morality. For example, maybe one of them won't hate any Gem that tries to be more than they are, but genuinely not understand why a Gem wouldn't be satisfied with doing what they were made to do. With the corruption weapon, you could have Yellow Diamond doing it solely out of spite, wanting to destroy Rose no matter how many of their soldiers get caught in the blast, while Blue or White could be more "You made us do this, Rose!!"

Now that I ruminate on it, a good portrayal for Pink Diamond would be to have her be friendly and genuinely appreciative of the Gems under her, but to have her view organic species as being like insects, and not something to be concerned with. I could it see her and Rose having a good relationship, but when Rose starts to question the morality of what they do and says "Maybe we shouldn't be wrecking these planets and wiping out the native species", Pink Diamond just responds "Oh Rose! You kidder, you![lol]". She could be an Evil Counterpart to Rose, showing what she would be like if she had never grown out of her alien mindset.

RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
True colors
#40536: Aug 16th 2016 at 8:42:39 AM

Yeah I like the idea of pink diamond not being good, but someone who cares for Gemkind's to the extreme

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40537: Aug 16th 2016 at 8:50:34 AM

I mean, whatever Pink's personality was, there was no way she didn't know what making a bunch of Gems on Earth was doing to the land and what would happen to all the living creatures already here.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#40538: Aug 16th 2016 at 9:08:21 AM

I don't like this false dichotomy of "people of color" and "white people". I realize this is off topic, but all this talk of racial coding just bothers me
Yeah, tbh, all this "coding" stuff comes off as pretty icky, and racist to me. It's pretty much judging these characters based off superficial appearances, and stereotyping how they act and speak. It makes me a little uncomfortable.

edited 16th Aug '16 9:16:55 AM by xanderiskander

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hiya, the name's scout.
#40539: Aug 16th 2016 at 9:20:24 AM

I think I'm gonna make a danburite gemsona

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40540: Aug 16th 2016 at 9:40:00 AM

[up][up]I kind of feel the same way. I mean, some like Garnet are just obvious, but other times it comes off as forcing the issue so that no one is white/cisgendered/heterosexual/whatever and that doesn't really sit well with me.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#40541: Aug 16th 2016 at 9:42:58 AM

What if Garnet were Irish?

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MsAmiClassified Tired of givin' up the ghost from the fucking ocean Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Tired of givin' up the ghost
#40542: Aug 16th 2016 at 9:44:26 AM

i would have said the same but i was afraid to

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#40543: Aug 16th 2016 at 9:46:03 AM

From all indications, I don't see how Bismuth's going off the deep end had to take place before Pink was shattered. Some fans started calling Rose a hypocrite, but I think it's perfectly inline with her character. She betrayed her Diamond for the greater good, and never wanted to purposely shatter a Gem ever again.

I would kind of like it if creating bubbles were Rose's idea, or at least Pink's, and used them to subdue and contain Homeworld Gems they captured.

From what Garnet's said, Rose didn't exactly take pleasure in the deed. It remains to be seen if Steven will keep his non-violent approach, but I really appreciate that the show doesn't present what Rose did as entirely a bad thing. Sometimes, especially in war, there's no good or just solution, only the best you can do. At any rate, it's more than most Batman adaptations delve into.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#40544: Aug 16th 2016 at 9:53:23 AM

Even if she was a "hypocrite" in some way, characters are flawed. They can't always live up to their lofty ideals, and in a war, there isn't always a "good" or "just" choice, because war is about people killing each other.

hcobb Since: Jan, 2001
#40545: Aug 16th 2016 at 10:00:27 AM

Jasper's ship used holding cells instead of bubbling yet Peridot apparently has an innate ability to bubble that isn't tied into any of the CG setup.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40546: Aug 16th 2016 at 10:07:03 AM

Bubbling just seems to be an innate Gem ability. It did seem weird that Peridot could do it accidentally with even giving it a try first, though.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#40547: Aug 16th 2016 at 10:18:44 AM

None of the Gems ARE heterosexual though.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#40548: Aug 16th 2016 at 10:19:16 AM

If it wasn't for Amethyst's finally bubbling something on-screen for the first time, I would've thought that certain gems like warrior types weren't able to bubble.

[up]Omni-sexual?

edited 16th Aug '16 10:20:10 AM by randomness4

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40549: Aug 16th 2016 at 10:26:52 AM

I honestly don't think sexuality comes into the equation for them at all, but I wasn't just referring to them.

edited 16th Aug '16 10:38:23 AM by LSBK

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#40550: Aug 16th 2016 at 10:29:23 AM

Bubbling just seems to be an innate Gem ability. It did seem weird that Peridot could do it accidentally without even giving it a try first, though.
It makes me think the ability is universal, but requires a specific state of mind—a wish for the gem being bubbled not to suffer.

edited 16th Aug '16 10:29:42 AM by thatother1dude


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