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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#40401: Aug 15th 2016 at 3:12:41 PM

Saying that Rose didn't kill PD feels kind of like pulling a form of Death Is Cheap. Not resurrecting the character, but still having an impact from one character dying, only to pull back later and say "nah, not really how it happened".

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40402: Aug 15th 2016 at 3:13:01 PM

[up][up]Why would Rose be forced to shatter PD just because she (somehow) became corrupted? And who says the other made her an Un-person?

Honestly, if there were any extenuating circumstances, Garnet would have told Steven about them. It's being treated as pretty clear cut here.

edited 15th Aug '16 3:13:58 PM by LSBK

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#40403: Aug 15th 2016 at 3:13:21 PM

the fact that the others gave her Un-Person status

Not quite. Yes she was removed from the sigil, but the other gems like Ruby and Jasper still know who she is and presumably feel free to talk about it. There isn't a taboo on whether they're supposed to know about her not.

In fact, I'd be dissapointed if Pink Diamond's story was just "lolevil, therefore killed dead and the others decided to cover up her existence because pride."

Pink Diamond could have still been the Token Good Teammate (comparatively speaking) and Rose could have still decided to shatter her anyways. That's what I'm hoping for, personally.

edited 15th Aug '16 3:15:33 PM by Draghinazzo

DaftPunch hiya, the name's scout. from lesbian Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
hiya, the name's scout.
#40404: Aug 15th 2016 at 3:14:17 PM

I like amethyst cuz I relate to her well

plus I look like her, except with normal skin tones instead of purples

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40405: Aug 15th 2016 at 3:14:57 PM

Eyeball acts like the others should know who she is despite seemingly being the only one who was around when Pink Diamond was still alive.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#40406: Aug 15th 2016 at 3:15:18 PM

@LBSK: Considering how powerful diamonds are implied to be (godlike is one way of putting it), that's something that might be impossible to hold in a bubble for starters. As far as the Un-person thing goes, well there's the fact that iconography associated with PD in certain gem ruins on Earth was seemingly deliberately destroyed/defaced. It's not a hard "Un-person" where you'll be killed for speaking her name, but it seems to me like a deliberate effort to downplay Pink Diamond's existence to the point where it's a historical curiosity known only to extremely old gems and perhaps a few others.

edited 15th Aug '16 3:17:10 PM by CaptainCapsase

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#40407: Aug 15th 2016 at 3:16:27 PM

Yes, but the actual knowledge of Pink Diamond existing apparently isn't supposed to be some big secret.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40408: Aug 15th 2016 at 3:16:41 PM

[up][up]There is no indication that a Gems strength makes bubbling them difficult after they have been poofed. And it also seems very unlikely that any vandalism (if it was even that) was done by Home World's side. It would make a lot more sense for the Rebellion to do that.

edited 15th Aug '16 3:17:16 PM by LSBK

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#40410: Aug 15th 2016 at 3:18:57 PM

[up][up] It was just Pink though, none of the others were damaged, which implies it was done by loyalists for whatever reason.

[up][up][up] There's different degrees of "Un-person"; it's not a big secret, but it seems like it's something that only very old gems and perhaps a few others are aware of; the fact that there was once a fourth diamond is something that would be a huge deal, and while it's been thousands of years, the fact that gems are immortal gives them a drastically different outlook on time.

edited 15th Aug '16 3:20:35 PM by CaptainCapsase

DaftPunch hiya, the name's scout. from lesbian Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
hiya, the name's scout.
#40411: Aug 15th 2016 at 3:19:29 PM

I wish I had Mystical White Hair.

My hair be very light brown.

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#40412: Aug 15th 2016 at 3:20:00 PM

I think the supposed unpersoning of Pink Diamond might be something the fandom deduced a bt presumptuously. In hindsight, all evidence suggests that Pink Diamond was simply removed from the Diamond logo because she was dead.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40413: Aug 15th 2016 at 3:20:31 PM

[up][up][up]Or you could think of it as "One down, three to go" or something along those lines. That's an easy explanation, and makes more since than "she died now she sucks" because we have actual evidence to the contrary of that line of thought.

edited 15th Aug '16 3:21:24 PM by LSBK

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#40414: Aug 15th 2016 at 3:21:13 PM

@Daft: Hair dye is a thing.

[up] I suppose we'll have to see.

As far as the idea of Pink being the Token Good Teammate of the diamonds and Rose shattering her anyway that would be interesting, especially if it was due to a Poor Communication Kills or My Species Right Or Wrong, that would be an interesting Blemish on Rose, in addition to her penchant for secrecy.

edited 15th Aug '16 3:24:05 PM by CaptainCapsase

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40415: Aug 15th 2016 at 3:23:57 PM

I am curious what White and Blue Diamond are doing, though. And how they decided who gets what. People have been assuming Pink was the youngest because she had the smallest territory (just Earth and the Moon) but I'm not sure I buy that being the reason.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#40416: Aug 15th 2016 at 3:25:13 PM

[up] Honestly, I have to wonder where the gems came from originally. The diamonds yes, but from where did they come?

wild mass guess Perhaps the gems were originally created by precursors as weapons in a war against a long forgotten and probably still around somewhere foe that ended up turning on and destroying their masters because that's what happens in science fiction when you create life.wild mass guess

edited 15th Aug '16 3:26:49 PM by CaptainCapsase

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#40417: Aug 15th 2016 at 3:25:59 PM

The only instance we have of defacement is, to my knowledge, a single sigil in the Sky Arena where Pink's symbol is only partially damaged. It is still clearly visible. The statues from the same place don't even appear to actually be the Diamonds; their gems are in the wrong place, with two of them having a gem on the nose, so I wouldn't take the face that one is missing as meaning too much.

There really isn't much evidence for PD being an Un-person anymore.

edited 15th Aug '16 3:36:57 PM by SilentColossus

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#40418: Aug 15th 2016 at 3:38:05 PM

This show at least acknowledges that killing one person for the sake of many does not put Rose on equal footing with the people she fights, and that having killed a tyrant does not make Rose a hypocrite for not wanting to resort to Bismuth's suggestion of mass murder.

On the flipside, one of the things I like about the show is that while Rose isn't portrayed as being as evil as the Diamonds, her killing Pink Diamond isn't portrayed as necessarily good or just, but something that Rose and the Crystal Gems felt was the best option at the time. While the war may have been necessary for freeing Earth, it was still a bloody mess, and it shows in how the surviving Crystal Gems react to it- Pearl plays up the glorious bits but hides the ugly parts, Garnet either doesn't talk about it or talks about how terrible it was, Bismuth creates the Breaking Point because she's tired of seeing her comrades die, and Rose- Rose decided she was tired and decided to literally start over, by giving her life force to Steven. It almost sounds like a suicide.

Even Homeworld seems affected. Yellow Diamond could come back with a fleet, kill any surviving opposition, and then continue terraforming Earth, but instead she decides to blow it all up. Jasper and Eyeball try to avenge Pink Diamond, despite how much it costs them- Jasper ends up corrupted and bubbled, and Eyeball's floating in space.

TL;DR: The writers are committed to the narrative that War Is Hell, and even if the Crystal Gems rebelled for all the right reasons (and they did! I like living on Earth) it was still a miserable, bloody affair even before most of the Crystal Gems were wiped out.

edited 15th Aug '16 3:40:08 PM by JBC31187

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#40419: Aug 15th 2016 at 3:41:42 PM

Aww, that means Daft's a chibi. Because smoll and square.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#40420: Aug 15th 2016 at 3:44:22 PM

wild mass guess Bismuth talked Rose into shattering Pink Diamond

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#40421: Aug 15th 2016 at 3:48:01 PM

Thas not likely.

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#40422: Aug 15th 2016 at 3:50:59 PM

And it wouldn't be a good plot development in any case. It'd be making the situation with Rose less complex and interesting in favour of laying all the blame for the ugly sides of the war at Bismuth's feet.

Basically, it's trying to blame all the world's problems on some single villain you can dislike instead of a complex network of interrelated forces beyond anyone's control.

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#40423: Aug 15th 2016 at 3:52:09 PM

I like the idea of Rose shattering Pink Diamond after bubbling Bismuth.

edited 15th Aug '16 3:52:19 PM by SilentColossus

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#40424: Aug 15th 2016 at 3:54:50 PM

I wasn't a big fan of "Know Your Fusion", although it did give me more evidence of "Garnet is arrogant."

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#40425: Aug 15th 2016 at 3:57:23 PM

When, during the course of the rebellion, Rose shattered Pink Diamond is an interesting question, but it probably won't change anything.


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