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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#40127: Aug 13th 2016 at 2:25:16 PM

Or "I don't care if every single character in this show is gay, they're not paired up in the way I want".

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#40128: Aug 13th 2016 at 2:30:02 PM

My understanding is that people were also attacking her for "queer-baiting" Lapis and Peridot, by teasing the relationship even though it isn't canon.

But as mentioned earlier, we shouldn't really blame shipping, because that's not really the cause of the issue. The issue is online harassment, and blaming shippers won't make it go away. Websites like Twitter need more ways to block people and hold people who attack others responsible.

edited 13th Aug '16 2:32:03 PM by SilentColossus

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#40129: Aug 13th 2016 at 2:33:58 PM

"These two characters interact in an episode in a friendly manner! That is queerbaiting!"

How. How on earth is that queerbaiting?! Lauren Zuke depicted two characters who live together having a goofy relationship, and she gets harassed for it. I genuinely don't understand this fandom, or how so many people completely miss the show's message of "you should accept people and their differences".

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#40130: Aug 13th 2016 at 2:34:16 PM

[up][up]I wasn't blaming all shippers, but I'm sorry if the way I worded my commentary made it seem that way. I'm honestly just annoyed at all that really loud Vocal Minority of shippers who think it's okay to harass people because of their ship.

edited 13th Aug '16 2:34:43 PM by DeathsApprentice

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#40131: Aug 13th 2016 at 2:37:48 PM

I've seen crew from other shows talking about this.

This one is pretty good.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#40132: Aug 13th 2016 at 2:41:54 PM

Queerbaiting is a term that's been so overused that it's practically lost all meaning.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#40133: Aug 13th 2016 at 2:43:13 PM

Nevertheless people need to sit fandoms as a whole down and explain to them that they really need to stop appropriating political terms for something as mundane as shipping.

It's like people who use cultural appropriation to smear people who ship a pairing they don't like by trying to gatekeep their ability to make content for that character at all (if you ban white people from writing stories about Black Panther altogether that's a hundred fewer people who could've potentially paired him up with Black Widow or Bucky), or people who accuse pairing two adults who met way past the age of majority of being pedophilia because there's an age gap of more than two years between them. Or the people who complain that it's fandom gatekeeping for the staff of a show to tell people to not take ships so seriously that you harass the actors personally.

[up][up] Sigh, very first comment is accusing them of making attacks on queer people for the crime of asking for basic decency and decorum. Why. I'm glad they were able to sort it out, but what the hell kind of tunnel vision mindset allows you to even come to that conclusion in the first place.

edited 13th Aug '16 2:48:08 PM by AlleyOop

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#40134: Aug 13th 2016 at 2:49:48 PM

I just logged on to Twitter, and it's not just cartoon showrunners talking about this. (Linking to his account because he uses multiple tweets to talk about it all)

Even the writer of Detective Comics is weighing in.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#40135: Aug 13th 2016 at 2:52:42 PM

Also figure I might bring this article back if it hasn't already been posted in these threads already. Because oh, what timing.

dmysta3000 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#40136: Aug 13th 2016 at 2:58:31 PM

As I've said before, for once I'd like to have a fandom for a popular show not turn out to have an incredibly venomous Vocal Minority ruin everyone's fun. I mean it was bad enough when militant fans were harassing fanartists for not drawing certain characters the way they wanted sad

Anyways, for those who still don't know the upcoming schedule, here are the next few episodes along with their summaries and airdates according to TV Guide:

  • "Buddy's Book": Steven visits the library with Connie and uncovers a long lost book. (August 18)
  • "Mindful Education": Steven and Connie learn to focus better. (August 25)
  • "Future Boy Zoltron": Steven tells people's fortunes at Funland. (September 1)

edited 13th Aug '16 3:01:08 PM by dmysta3000

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#40137: Aug 13th 2016 at 3:02:12 PM

Nevertheless people need to sit fandoms as a whole down and explain to them that they really need to stop appropriating political terms for something as mundane as shipping.
Talking down to people never works, it just creates even more ire and backlash. Especially when they're not receptive to changing their mind in the first place.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#40138: Aug 13th 2016 at 3:24:54 PM

Ignore the trouble-makers, the wasted effort only makes you tired.

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#40139: Aug 13th 2016 at 3:34:16 PM

I, honestly, have never even heard of the term 'queerbaiting' before now and, based on the definitions, it doesn't sound like a term that really has any right to exist. The first definition is just people getting angry over Ship Tease, and the second sounds like an out-of-universe version of Bury Your Gays, which I can't see much deliberate usage of in any form of media.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#40140: Aug 13th 2016 at 3:40:02 PM

More like Hide Your Gays and Bait-and-Switch Lesbians. The only inarguable instances of it I can think of all involve Japanese media which has a whole bunch of issues of its own when it comes to LGBT+ representation. The second definition that article provides has never, ever been a context in which I've seen the term used, although any instances where it actually happened I can definitely understand why there would be an uproar.

edited 13th Aug '16 3:41:59 PM by AlleyOop

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#40141: Aug 13th 2016 at 3:44:06 PM

Okay what the fuck did we do to Lauren Zuke?

edited 13th Aug '16 3:44:17 PM by SonOfSharknado

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#40142: Aug 13th 2016 at 3:44:09 PM

It does have a legitimate use though.

As in, queerbaiting is legit a thing that happens.

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ewolf2015 MIA from south Carolina Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I-It's not like I like you, or anything!
MIA
#40143: Aug 13th 2016 at 3:54:36 PM

[up][up][up]this is why i hate japan sometimes. they tend to be xenophobic, racist, sexist, and last but not least, a bunch of gay fetishers. not to say that all japanese people are like this it's just some peps over there can be insensitive, snobby pricks.

edited 13th Aug '16 3:55:34 PM by ewolf2015

MIA
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#40144: Aug 13th 2016 at 4:03:02 PM

We could stand to learn from them in terms of not having ship wars or personally attacking creators for not making the ships we want canon.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#40145: Aug 13th 2016 at 4:05:17 PM

You never heard of 2chan...

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#40146: Aug 13th 2016 at 4:06:06 PM

> Okay what the fuck did we do to Lauren Zuke?

Made her quit twitter

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
dmysta3000 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#40148: Aug 13th 2016 at 4:08:34 PM

[up][up][up][up]If anything stuff like that tends to be even worse in Japanese fandoms

edited 13th Aug '16 4:08:44 PM by dmysta3000

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#40149: Aug 13th 2016 at 4:12:50 PM

> Why?

Angry shippers harassed her

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#40150: Aug 13th 2016 at 4:17:59 PM

Fuuuuuuuuuuuck this fandom.

My various fanfics.

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