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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#39726: Aug 11th 2016 at 4:52:31 PM

x6[up]Depends how much water is around them and how quickly Jasper could make her way over to Lapis.

edited 11th Aug '16 4:52:48 PM by PhiSat

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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#39727: Aug 11th 2016 at 4:52:35 PM

@Silent Colossus: That makes sense to me. Jasper and other Homeworld Gems are really just victims of the oppressive Gem hierarchy that the Diamonds established. Therefore it makes sense that the Diamonds never end up being redeemed, even if other Homeworld Gems do.

edited 11th Aug '16 4:53:25 PM by DeathsApprentice

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#39728: Aug 11th 2016 at 4:53:06 PM

[up][up][up]We don't really know that; It's likely that a lot of CG were former enemies turned by Rose.

[up]Just because a victim in a sense, doesn't mean you can save them all. Eyeball seems like a good example of that.

edited 11th Aug '16 4:54:59 PM by LSBK

EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#39729: Aug 11th 2016 at 4:54:56 PM

Maybe? All we've ever heard is that the gems joined her when they learned that they could be more than what they were assigned to be.

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#39730: Aug 11th 2016 at 4:55:08 PM

The only thing missing from today's episode was Peridot walking up to the monster, introducing herself as an unbeatable genius and giving it a customary ten minutes to say its prayers (or whatever it is Gems do).

I kind of want to give the Corrupted Gem in today's episode a nickname. Has someone meticulously sussed out what gem it is yet?

'Til then, I'm calling it Gags Gemstone. And I want shorts.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#39731: Aug 11th 2016 at 4:55:58 PM

[up][up]And you don't think any of those people were former enemy troops? That seems much less likely, considering at one point seems like the rebellion was just Rose and Pearl.

edited 11th Aug '16 4:57:10 PM by LSBK

BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Watcher on the Tower
#39732: Aug 11th 2016 at 4:56:29 PM

I'm also hoping Jasper gets redeemed. A character obsessed with strength deserves to learn that it's not everything.

On the other hand, I do hope the show introduces a villain beyond redemption.

"The cruelest thing you can do to an artist is tell them their work is flawless when it isn't." -Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
drunk bunny
#39733: Aug 11th 2016 at 4:57:25 PM

[up][up]Well, yeah, but none of them had a personal vendetta like Jasper did or eyeball did.

Plus we know that their army was much smaller than the homeworld's. it's made clear it was only a few people, not thousands.

edited 11th Aug '16 4:58:42 PM by EpicBleye

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#39734: Aug 11th 2016 at 4:58:03 PM

I'm a Sapphire, and admittedly she's one of my less favored gems in the show.

And honestly, I'm in the camp that even wants the diamonds to be redeemed. I don't like the idea that it's ever "too late" to become a good person. I doubt that'll happen, but it'd be nice to see.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#39735: Aug 11th 2016 at 4:58:11 PM

[up][up]We don't know that either.

[up]Not everyone can or wants to be a good person, though.

edited 11th Aug '16 4:59:23 PM by LSBK

RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
True colors
#39736: Aug 11th 2016 at 4:58:13 PM

I point out that Garnet already technically was a convert, though it wasn't as if Homeworld gave her much of a choice.

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#39737: Aug 11th 2016 at 4:58:18 PM

> villain beyond redemption.

Like the one who ordered the corruption wave?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#39738: Aug 11th 2016 at 5:00:36 PM

To me, there's a difference between optimism and just being foolish naivety. The show is the former, but hasn't really veered into the later, which saying "Yes, you can save everyone and make them good" definitely is.

edited 11th Aug '16 5:01:10 PM by LSBK

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#39739: Aug 11th 2016 at 5:00:44 PM

If they genuinely feel remorse and want to atone for what they did, they shouldn't have the door slammed in their face.

If you compare the corruption wave to the atomic bomb, that technician could very well be Robert Oppenheimer, and regret what they created.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#39740: Aug 11th 2016 at 5:01:46 PM

Narratively speaking, since her last appearance involve her getting corrupted and hitting rock bottom, turning from an active villain into something akin to a werewolf plotwise: a dangerous but mindless wretch who needs to be saved in order to continue being a character.

A future appearance would have to have her being rescued from corruption, and they would have to address her rage and freakout immediately after returning her to normal which would mean her possibly getting the closure she sought - she has nowhere to go but up, now. The plot of Earthlings was arguably the crossroads for Jasper's entire character, the way it went being very important to her future as a character, and it's ending basically clinched that she would have a sympathetic plotline in the future.

As for the corruption wave, keep in mind that - horrific and terrible as it was - it was also retaliation for Rose killing one of their leaders. That alone gives them a sympathetic note, the same way the pain of failing Pink Diamond gives Jasper and Eyeball sympathetic traits.

edited 11th Aug '16 5:03:34 PM by KnownUnknown

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#39741: Aug 11th 2016 at 5:02:01 PM

[up][up]But not everyone does come to feel regret or want to atone. Some people are incapable of feeling such things. Acting as if that's not the case isn't being optimistic, it's being in denial.

I am getting a bit too personal or close to insulting here?

Edit: If not Jasper, I feel they should show that with some Gems who aren't the Diamonds.

edited 11th Aug '16 5:05:56 PM by LSBK

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#39742: Aug 11th 2016 at 5:06:32 PM

If they don't regret it, that's on them. But if a character, such as Jasper, realizes they made a wrong turn some point down the road, they shouldn't deny that person a chance to be better.

Jasper is at a point where homeworld would hate her (disobeying Yellow Diamond's orders, fusing with a different gem type, fusing with a corrupted gem, etc). That puts her in a position where Steven could get her to realize she doesn't owe homeworld her loyalty, and that she should fight to protect what she wants, not a diamond who snatched her up.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#39743: Aug 11th 2016 at 5:08:50 PM

I don't think Jasper feels any particular loyalty to YD, anyway. And considering the circumstances, I doubt anything bad would happen to her if she went back. She wanted to bring "Rose Quartz" back, something I can't see YD being upset about, and the fusions were to crush the hated Crystal Gems, again, something I don't see YD being upset about.

I'm not saying if Jasper sees the error of her ways they should turn her away, I'm saying I could very easily see her not letting go. I mean, I could also see it going to other way, but I'm leaving options open.

edited 11th Aug '16 5:12:12 PM by LSBK

Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#39744: Aug 11th 2016 at 5:09:27 PM

So this is the first episode of season 4, and we still don't have a new opening.

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
Writer, Artist, Ignored
#39745: Aug 11th 2016 at 5:11:27 PM

We don't tend to get new openings as soon as a season starts.

We had to wait until several episodes into season 2, Sworn to the Sword, to get the new opening because they waited until exactly when Connie got the sword and not an episode more.

I'm sure once all their "New Status Quo" elements are introduced they'll bring in the new opening.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#39746: Aug 11th 2016 at 5:11:50 PM

We aren't getting a new one. We only ever got a new one because they made the shorts.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#39747: Aug 11th 2016 at 5:13:29 PM

We aren't getting a new one. We only ever got a new one because they made the shorts.

Oh yeah? Where'd they say that?

Ah well. The current opening is pretty nice looking as it is.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#39748: Aug 11th 2016 at 5:14:16 PM

The atomic bomb and the corruption wave can't be compared

For one the atomic bomb was dropped on one country,and it killed all caught in the blast radius..mostly,there was the radiation fallout that effected generations

The corruption wave was aimed at an entire planet and caused thousands to lose their minds,it was used by bad guys who were prepared to commit genocide

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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#39749: Aug 11th 2016 at 5:15:02 PM

I really do not want the Diamonds to be redeemed. I'm not sure how the show could redeem them without it seeming like a copout.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
HextarVigar That guy from The Big House Since: Feb, 2015
That guy
#39750: Aug 11th 2016 at 5:16:36 PM

Ooh, just thought of a terrible joke.

When Steven temporarily cured Centipeedle, would she have then become a human centipede?

Your momma's so dumb she thinks oral sex means talking dirty.

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