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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#39326: Aug 10th 2016 at 3:33:51 PM

[up]Unless Rose actively tried to keep her from being her shiny toy. But part of giving people their freedom is letting them decide to who they want to follow. Even if she stayed because of Rose, we also know that Pearl genuinely believed(s) in the cause.

edited 10th Aug '16 3:35:17 PM by LSBK

lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#39327: Aug 10th 2016 at 3:35:47 PM

[up][up] Pearl's single minded devotion to Rose has already been showcased as a negative.

Rose used to be from Homeworld at least that's what her conversation with Pearl implied when she said if she rebels "We can never go home again" (Paraphrasing of course.) And Quartz's are pretty high ranked from what we have seen. They are pretty much the generals of Gem military aren't they? Owning a Pearl doesn't seem to far fetched.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#39328: Aug 10th 2016 at 3:37:37 PM

It's possible to be made on Earth but still consider Home World "home". Jasper certainly does. But Rose talked as if she'd actually been and lived there.

edited 10th Aug '16 3:37:50 PM by LSBK

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#39329: Aug 10th 2016 at 3:38:42 PM

Pearl's devotion to Rose HAS been cast as negative. Constantly.

Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#39330: Aug 10th 2016 at 3:42:43 PM

Because of how she treated herself. Loving Rose wasn't a bad thing; basing her sense of self worth around Rose was, and something she's actively trying to grow out of. Needing someone to tell her what to do to feel worth is a bad thing, but being inspired to take up arms against her own fundamental being, because Rose taught her that she mattered, that's different.

If Pearl belonged to Rose, how is this conversation supposed to go?

"Every Gem has the right to choose their own path."

"I agree with Rose because that is my literal purpose for existing."

edited 10th Aug '16 3:43:16 PM by Mr.Badguy

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#39331: Aug 10th 2016 at 3:44:33 PM

[up]Like I said, it's very possible that even after Rose hypothetically set her free Pearl chose to stay because she believed in the cause. Because we know that, devotion to Rose aside, Pearl actually did believe what they were fighting for was right.

And again, if Pearl choice Rose over their Diamond, that's still probably a huge deal. Actually, it's a huge deal no matter what.

edited 10th Aug '16 3:46:18 PM by LSBK

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#39332: Aug 10th 2016 at 3:46:11 PM

I would be kinda interesting if they showed that the reason that Pearl's feelings for Rose never led to anything was because Rose felt Pearl's feelings were essentially "programmed" into her, and that reciprocating would essentially mean taking advantage of Pearl.

Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#39333: Aug 10th 2016 at 3:47:49 PM

Pearl would have nowhere else to go if she belonged to Rose. She'd probably be shattered right upon returning to Homeworld for being the possession of the Rebellion's spearhead/murderer of Pink Diamond.

Like, there's a reason why I'm using deliberately objectifying terms here. Pearls are slaves even in comparison to the Gem caste system. I'm not confident that the the Crewniverse wants to add "Rose is a slave owner" on top of her list of flaws. If Rose fell for Pearl, then Pearl would have no choice but to feel it back.

lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#39334: Aug 10th 2016 at 3:51:24 PM

[up]x4 Pearl still defines herself around her relationship with Rose after her death. Even in the extended theme song Garnet and Amythest sing about why they fight (because they think the Earth is great), Pearl sings about how she fights in the name of Rose and what she believed in.

She's usually the gem who feels the most trapped on Earth, so I can't help but feel even if she now believes in the cause Rose fought for, that even if it was only at first she chose to rebel because Rose did.

[up]x2 That's something I pondered as well.

[up]Rose has a laundry list of things she isn't proud of, owning Pearl at one point doesn't seem like such a far fetched thing for someone who was a Defector from Decadence. I mean they are portraying someone like Jasper who is pretty much an analogue for an abusive sex criminal some sympathy making Rose an analogue for a former slave owner seems tame by comparison

edited 10th Aug '16 4:01:40 PM by lycropath

BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Watcher on the Tower
#39335: Aug 10th 2016 at 4:01:04 PM

IT'S STARTING

"The cruelest thing you can do to an artist is tell them their work is flawless when it isn't." -Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#39336: Aug 10th 2016 at 4:02:20 PM

I'm sorry to say this guys, but Charlyne Yi has a weird "angry voice". Always has.

Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#39337: Aug 10th 2016 at 4:05:20 PM

Some of this show's best moments come from wacky bonding. Recently it was Peridot and Lapis, now it's Steven and Eyeball.

Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#39338: Aug 10th 2016 at 4:06:08 PM

You throw lips all over that eyeball Steven.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#39339: Aug 10th 2016 at 4:06:43 PM

Damn, barely anyone is liveblogging this ep.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#39340: Aug 10th 2016 at 4:07:50 PM

Damn, barely anyone is liveblogging this ep.

That is strange.

Maybe people are just exhausted after everything that's happened. The heart can only take so much, y'know?

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#39341: Aug 10th 2016 at 4:08:14 PM

EYEBALL'S GONNA KILL KILL STEVEN, OH SHIT

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#39342: Aug 10th 2016 at 4:09:04 PM

Damn, Steven. That was frickin' slick.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#39344: Aug 10th 2016 at 4:09:19 PM

Well that got violent fast.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#39346: Aug 10th 2016 at 4:10:10 PM

HAPPY MOMS

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#39347: Aug 10th 2016 at 4:11:15 PM

Whelp, Steven's mental state is gonna be fucked.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
NegaKingKix The Absolute Madman from That one place we don't talk about anymore Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Absolute Madman
#39348: Aug 10th 2016 at 4:12:07 PM

Here we go. Steve IN SPACE!!!

Eyeball!

WE'RE ANGRY AND SHOUTING!!

Wow. Depressing

Even crueler... What was Rose like?

She's cracked!

SHIP!

Now he's gonna die. 3. 2. 1.

A touching reunion and a song.

Theory answered: She shattered Pink. Damn.

"We be we baby!"
Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#39349: Aug 10th 2016 at 4:12:12 PM

Whelp, Steven's mental state is gonna be fucked.

He's had kind of a shitty week, all things considered.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#39350: Aug 10th 2016 at 4:13:07 PM

I think Garnet's statement here goes against the "Rose owned Pearl" line of thought, for anyone who cares.

I like how straight they were about addressing the shattering.


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