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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#39151: Aug 9th 2016 at 6:37:17 PM

PD was the weakest link, it doesn't seem worth the trouble to keep any catalogued history of a failed Diamond.

Or they're just really immature.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#39152: Aug 9th 2016 at 6:37:35 PM

You know, it's possible loyalty to a Gem's Diamond is something that's just built into them.

Edit: Also, Eyeball reacted as if the other should know about Pink Diamond, so while she might have faded a bit in public consciousness, it's not like they keep her a secret or anything.

edited 9th Aug '16 6:39:19 PM by LSBK

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#39153: Aug 9th 2016 at 6:37:58 PM

Eyeball knows who she is and felt free to talk about it with other gems. I don't think Pink Diamond is really supposed to be a secret or anything.
Jasper talked to Peridot about the Crystal Gems when they initial came even though the record said nothing about them. Just because they're not destroying every gem that knew personally doesn't mean they aren't covering it up.

edited 9th Aug '16 6:40:07 PM by thatother1dude

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#39154: Aug 9th 2016 at 6:39:21 PM

[up][up]Wouldn't that make Rosey defective? A flaw in the program.

edited 9th Aug '16 6:39:57 PM by randomness4

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#39155: Aug 9th 2016 at 6:40:14 PM

[up]Maybe. I mean, either way, it's obviously something that can be overcome. We have plenty of examples of getting over it, at any rate.

edited 9th Aug '16 6:40:56 PM by LSBK

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#39156: Aug 9th 2016 at 6:40:26 PM

What if it was the Crystal Gems who defaced Pink Diamond's part of the emblem?
Why would they just deface Pink Diamond's symbol if they hate the entire Diamond Authority?

[up][up]We already knew Rose was defective for rebelling at all.

edited 9th Aug '16 6:40:43 PM by thatother1dude

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#39157: Aug 9th 2016 at 6:46:52 PM

She's not defective in that sense...

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#39158: Aug 9th 2016 at 6:50:15 PM

Why would they just deface Pink Diamond's symbol if they hate the entire Diamond Authority?
Because they just shattered her, and the CG soldiers started rioting and did it to rub in their victory. It's the same reason humans turn over statues of leaders, and burn flags etc. It's symbolism they've toppled authority.

Why would homeworld gems deface something that represents a leader they respected? That doesn't make any sense. And it's not like defacing it hides that it was there, because you can still see it.

edited 9th Aug '16 6:52:53 PM by xanderiskander

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#39159: Aug 9th 2016 at 6:54:23 PM

When was the diamond symbol ever defaced? Because if you're talking about the symbol in the sky arena it may just be that it's thousands of years old.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#39160: Aug 9th 2016 at 6:57:54 PM

Im pretty sure the pink diamond symbol being defaced is just foreshadowing.

MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#39161: Aug 9th 2016 at 7:00:01 PM

[up][up][up] because said nature is a Cult of Personality that has the Diamonds getting God Complexes. And as such they would want to foster the images of being well gods. I presume their God Guise is passing them off as as Omniscient, Omnipresent and most importantly Omnipotent, none of these things would apply if one of them was Shattered, and if that image is broken, then the populace might start to have doubts.

Exhibit A: Peridot say Yellow Diamond as someone of logic and reason but her irrational lust for revenge broke her pedestal and ultimately caused her to side with the Crystal Gems. Yellow Diamond broke her own image. A Diamond being shattered would have a much wider scale of effect so the Diamonds would want to erase all evidence of that (and the existence of the deceased) to continue their God Guise, and through that their control over Homeworld.

As an aside, given the effect said God Guise might have, I would think that Bismuth would not have the idea to try to shatter the Diamonds without any precedence, especially if she wanted the leader to be the one to use the weapon

edited 9th Aug '16 7:00:40 PM by MorningStar1337

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#39162: Aug 9th 2016 at 7:01:26 PM

Looking at it again, the symbol in the sky arena is intact, except for the ones higher up. So, yeah I guess it is mostly just decay.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#39163: Aug 9th 2016 at 7:02:35 PM

[up][up]None of that addresses why they would deface it themselves. It would be one thing if they were making her out to not be a "real" Diamond but that doesn't seem to be the case.

[up]And now it's moot.

edited 9th Aug '16 7:02:56 PM by LSBK

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#39164: Aug 9th 2016 at 7:03:34 PM

[up][up][up]That's not a God Guise; Homeworld had no pre-existing concept of gods that the Diamonds would imperson.

[up][up]And one of four statues is broken, but I guess that just as likely to be coincidence.

edited 9th Aug '16 7:09:13 PM by thatother1dude

Matues Since: Sep, 2011
#39165: Aug 9th 2016 at 7:07:30 PM

Poor Pearl seemed really messed up about this.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#39166: Aug 9th 2016 at 7:08:36 PM

Garnet too. I think they're afraid of what Steven will think after hearing that story. They were afraid to tell him more about what gems are before Lapis / The Return for similar reasons.

[up][up] Yeah, I mean, it IS an arena.

edited 9th Aug '16 7:11:53 PM by xanderiskander

BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Watcher on the Tower
#39167: Aug 9th 2016 at 7:17:22 PM

I made an album of the long-term effects of this episode

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#39168: Aug 9th 2016 at 7:24:56 PM

@thatother1dude. sorry I might had gotten carried away with the explanation. I'll simplify it, imaging a council of being built up a reputation of being unkillable, one of them gets killed and they didn't want everyone else knowing of that. What do you think they would try to attempt?

doesn't that imply that the bones would be in earth's gravity?

edited 9th Aug '16 7:26:05 PM by MorningStar1337

CodeXYZ Ice Ice Baby from Under the Stars Since: Mar, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Ice Ice Baby
#39169: Aug 9th 2016 at 7:29:56 PM

[up][up]You know that's going crush someone who hasn't seen the previews.

It was Leggy that asked the question. She doesn't have the best memory, and Pink Diamond hasn't been around in over 5000 years. We've seen a pink diamond in other places; decay and camera angles have prevented us from seeing what Pink Diamond looked like until now. Peridot was elated to see all the diamonds on the moon base. She was not surprised by seeing Pink Diamond. Peridot didn't know the Crystal Gems but Homeworld may refer to them as the filthy rebels or something.

I hope it turns out the Diamonds were like screw the earth and the filthy rebels, then used their corrupting weapon after Rose shattered Pink Diamond. That's probably why Centi only drew three diamonds.

edited 9th Aug '16 7:34:08 PM by CodeXYZ

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Ukokira Since: May, 2012
#39170: Aug 9th 2016 at 7:42:03 PM

If the Pink Diamond symbol was defaced by the crystal gems. It'd likely be a sort of tally mark. 1 down, 3 to go.

hcobb Since: Jan, 2001
#39172: Aug 9th 2016 at 7:46:17 PM

wild mass guess PD was created after the rebellion started by forcing a fusion on the leader of the rebellion, and was "shattered" when that gem broke the fusion. Hence the limited number of planets, poofy hair and gem placement.

LawfulGoodLegacy from Earth.... or is it? Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#39173: Aug 9th 2016 at 7:46:30 PM

[up][up][up]I'm not saying that the other character's viewpoints are limited or unreliable. They all knew Rose very well. I'm saying their stories, and both Greg and Garnet were telling stories to Steven for a purpose, may not capture all of Rose's complexities. Some, but not all. While both Greg and Garnet certainly knew Rose's complexities, they might not all be apparent in the stories they tell in the episode.

In Story for Steven, Steven already knew the story of how Greg fell in Love at First Sight with Rose, but Greg included Marty to show that, while Marty's actions and attitudes weren't right, it did lead to the ultimate good of Greg choosing to stay with Rose. This show's Greg's complexities moreso than Rose's complexities. Rose's complexities are still there: note that she's the only one in his audience. This says more than if he fell in Love at First Sight with her in even a small group of human listeners, and it says more about both Rose and Greg

In We Need To Talk, the story was kicked off by Steven and Connie accidentally fusing once more and Greg explaining why he understands their embarrassment. This time, both his and Rose's complexities are shown in detail: Rose truly understands human romantic love for the first time. She understood other forms of love perfectly well, we're talking the human interpretation of romantic love. This is important because it shows she truly starts to understand humans, in more than a "you're funny, pretty, and worth protecting" sense. She's capable of this. The point Greg was trying to make was that it didn't matter that they couldn't fuse, what mattered was talking, and working it out together the way he and Rose did is the way Steven and Connie's human-gem relationship can work. I know that Steven and Connie are children with a mutual crush who are just friends, but not all close relationships are explicitly romantic.

Greg The Babysitter is at first glance a shallow story of how Greg came to work at the car wash. But when you look at it, the story is really more about how Greg realized he needed a real job. It wasn't his adventure with Baby Sour Cream that made him realize this: it was what Rose learned from it. Rose already had her understanding of human emotions but it grew here: she realized that while humans are allowed to grow and invent themselves other humans have to facilitate it when they're very young, and those other humans are parents. Note that Gems don't have parents, and wouldn't understand what a parent is without making the effort Rose did. Teaching this lesson to Rose is what made Greg realize that he is, by emotional maturity standards, not as good as he should be. I think, at least, that the most important Rose complexity in this story is that Rose, while she doesn't learn everything at once (and really, does anyone?) she's willing and open to learning.

In The Answer, Garnet is on the surface telling the story of how Ruby and Sapphire first met but , when we progress further in the episode it becomes how she became a Crystal Gem and why she's a perma-fusion, in a calmer way than she did by singing Stronger Than You. Rose's complexities are shown when she is the first Gem to accept Garnet for what and who she is, after all other Gems seen in the episode calling it "a disgrace" and "unacceptable". This alone isn't a complexity: what makes it a complexity is that Rose immediately recognizes it as love, before Garnet does, but lets Garnet figure that out for herself by letting Garnet trust her instincts.

This has gone on longer than I wanted it to, but my point is despite both Greg and Garnet knowing Rose extremely well, knowing her better than most characters on the show do, and being honest characters, and despite these episodes telling us a lot about Rose, none of these stories can tell us why Rose felt the need to shatter Pink Diamond, or why Rose kept secrets. A future Whole Episode Flashback could provide this, and said story could even come from Garnet or Greg. We need to wait and see.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#39174: Aug 9th 2016 at 7:50:54 PM

"Disgusting" and "This is Unheard of"...

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#39175: Aug 9th 2016 at 8:00:14 PM

On a different note, I love Smoky's theme. It's wonderfully retro video game.


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