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LawfulGoodLegacy from Earth.... or is it? Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#39101: Aug 9th 2016 at 4:58:34 PM

I'm thinking Rose opposed the Breaking Point because she regretted shattering Pink Diamond.

Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#39102: Aug 9th 2016 at 4:58:53 PM

@Will Keaton: I got the impression that that was what started the war. It may not have even been part of any of her original plans.

That being said the revelation of Rose shattering Pink Diamond seems like something that would have another twist to it that we won't learn until later, but I agree it would be more powerful if Rose shattered her.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#39103: Aug 9th 2016 at 4:59:21 PM

I'll repost the "Bubbled" clip because it's clearly just the first thirty seconds of the episode.

I originally guessed from the clip that Steven came out of the Rubies' ship. But nope, moonbase airlock.

Yes, the being shot out an airlock on the moon's surface resulted in Steven and the Rubies, within the span of a few minutes, going further away from the moon than the moon is from Earth.

I know the show is very loose with physics, but that's just stupid even in a basic observational sense.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#39104: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:01:26 PM

It has to be: The Rebellion starts —> Jasper was put into the ground, matured and came out —> Pink Diamond was shattered. Judging by the way Amethyst was in the ground for hundreds of years too long I get the feeling that creating a new gem takes a couple hundred years minimum.

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#39105: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:02:47 PM

Yeah, when did the Bismuth confrontation happen? Because depending on whether it was before or after Pink Diamond died, the implications of both acts change dramatically

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#39106: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:05:49 PM

Yeah, when did the Bismuth confrontation happen?
5300 years ago.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#39107: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:10:06 PM

That ship the Rubies had. Was it bigger on the inside? For that matter, was the hand ship? Are the Gems Time Lords?

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#39108: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:13:55 PM

The Temple seems like its bigger on the inside too.

Plus, the door changing where it opens depending on who opens it? There's clearly some spatial shenanigans going on.

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LawfulGoodLegacy from Earth.... or is it? Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#39109: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:16:54 PM

Either Rose's shattering Pink Diamond was what kickstarted the war, or she did it toward the end as a desperate last resort. There's evidence for both.

Jasper's expression of how Rose shattered Pink Diamond was too emotion filled for Jasper to have not known Pink Diamond and she referred to Pink Diamond as "my Diamond'. Even if Diamond assignment happens during incubation, Jasper would still not refer to her as "my Diamond' if she never really thought of her as her Diamond.

On the other hand, if Rose did it as a desperate last resort it would make her a hypocrite, and she didn't seem like the hypocrite type. Not even close. Plus, it would mean Bismuth was bubbled in vain, and if that was the case and Bismuth was right all along Rose would have had the loyalty to unbubble her.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#39110: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:20:26 PM

There's clearly some spatial shenanigans going on.
The ship's very movement is based on creating a path of warped spacetime.

edited 9th Aug '16 5:20:42 PM by thatother1dude

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#39111: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:20:59 PM

The impression I get is that PD was shattered to make way for the rebellion, and she regreted it ever since. So when the war was on, she developed enough guilt over shattering Gems that she had her sword made by Bismuth to prevent that from happening, and never wanted that to happen again.

From the apparently brutal actions she took and secrecy, compared with her much calmer, reflective, even sad appearances in Greg flashbacks, you get the impression that no matter how many bad things she's done, 5000 years is a long time to think about what you've done.

There can be a middle ground. She's shady and did some very ambiguous things, but she ultimately fought and risked everything for Earth and a place where both humans and Gems could coexist.

Because think about it, if there were more Crystal Gems around, there'd be a safe haven for both to be themselves and have a chance at living free lives.

Also, that credits ending is really trolling us. Steven gets blown out in space, I could eeeeveeen learn how to looooooove like yoooooouuuuu!

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#39112: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:25:41 PM

Plus, it would mean Bismuth was bubbled in vain, and if that was the case and Bismuth was right all along Rose would have had the loyalty to unbubble her.
Not quite: Rose may have shattered one gem. Bismuth wanted shattering Homeworld gems they faced in combat to be the norm.

edited 9th Aug '16 5:26:02 PM by thatother1dude

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#39113: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:26:58 PM

The way eyeball describes events (about how Rose "started a rebellion. And then took it too far.") implies that the rebellion was already in full swing when it happened.

Which jives with Jasper; the Beta Kindergarten was a desperate attempt to make more soldiers to combat the rebellion, and yet Jasper knew Pink Diamond.

If things escalated such that Rose shattered Pink Diamond despite what happened with Bismuth, her not releasing her could've been out of a sort of selfish guilt; how could she ever face her knowing that what she did that day was for nothing?

edited 9th Aug '16 5:29:11 PM by Enlong

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#39114: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:31:20 PM

All we have is one (possibly 2) words witht the events of what happened. Personally I believe there is some smoke and mirrors at work. Ruby's are dumb, as we've seen. and Jasper wasnt confirmed present at the scene.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#39115: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:33:19 PM

I don't really think we're supposed to assume that Rose didn't do it, and later saying she didn't actually do it would be a huge copout.

Like, Garnet and Pearl would not have looked at Steven the way they did if they thought it wasn't true, and they would know.

edited 9th Aug '16 5:33:58 PM by LSBK

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#39116: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:33:23 PM

Sorry to interrupt, but has anyone else thought this?

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#39117: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:35:02 PM

her not releasing her could've been out of a sort of selfish guilt; how could she ever face her knowing that what she did that day was for nothing?
Oh, come on that is absurd. Leaving her friend locked away forever because she was embarrassed about being wrong is entirely out of character for her, or anyone else with a basic sense of decency.

edited 9th Aug '16 5:36:17 PM by thatother1dude

SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#39118: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:37:00 PM

Pink Diamond was shattered after Jasper was formed (in order for Jasper to call her "my diamond" at all, she probably had to be alive), and Jasper was formed after Rose started the rebellion.

LawfulGoodLegacy from Earth.... or is it? Since: Jun, 2016 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#39119: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:37:50 PM

Interpreting Rose and her actions is very difficult to do because she's a functional Posthumous Character. While she may not have died in the human sense, she's gone and not coming back. We only see her in flashbacks, and the only Full Episode Flashback episodes where she is the main focus are from the point of view of Greg, who was in love with her. Another Full Episode Flashback where she appears, The Answer, is from the point of view of Garnet, one of her key teammates. We only see her through other's viewpoint, and never see her ourselves.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#39120: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:40:28 PM

We only see her through other's viewpoint, and never see her ourselves.
I don't see how their viewpoints are any more limited or unreliable than Steven's is.

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#39121: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:41:03 PM

It would probably be a dark twist if it turns out that Rose actually shattered PD with the Breaking Point.

Also I would be very interested to know if Rose shattered PD before or after her whole confrontation with Bismuth.

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#39122: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:41:57 PM

It also wouldn't make much sense if she had used it...

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#39123: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:42:49 PM

It would probably be a dark twist if it turns out that Rose actually shattered PD with the Breaking Point.
Bismuth would have noticed if someone else was in her workshop—if anyone else could even get in there.

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#39124: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:47:01 PM

@thatother1dude

Yeah, you're right. That was completely absurd and baseless. I withdraw the point completely. Sorry.

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#39125: Aug 9th 2016 at 5:49:04 PM

I don't think Rose used the breaking point, but it does beg the question of what it took for rose to shatter pink diamond because it really doesn't seem like shattering a gem is easy at all.

I don't really think we're supposed to assume that Rose didn't do it, and later saying she didn't actually do it would be a huge copout. Like, Garnet and Pearl would not have looked at Steven the way they did if they thought it wasn't true, and they would know.

This is basically my thoughts on the matter as well.

Rose wasn't perfect.

edited 9th Aug '16 5:50:46 PM by Draghinazzo


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