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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#38726: Aug 8th 2016 at 5:42:41 PM

They might be one of those societies that executes anyone who talks bad about the Diamondo leaders. Can't be having those around, it's bad public.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#38727: Aug 8th 2016 at 5:51:31 PM

Anyway I really loved seeing Amethyst refer to Jasper as her "sister". Is that the first time we've seen gems refer to each other in such terms?

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#38728: Aug 8th 2016 at 5:52:20 PM

So some friends and I were talking and the great AHR had a theory based on the fact Jasper never actually says what Rose did to Pink Diamond and while it's possible she killed her or she did something "worse" in Jasper's eyes.

That thing being reformed Pink Diamond. And Pink Diamond willingly stepped down. Maybe reincarnated into something helpful. Something Rose would want to hide from people because it's an extremely powerful secret. Something not even her closest confidants could know about. Something with extraordinary abilities of unknown origin and one of the only mysteries we don't have any hints about.

Lion.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#38729: Aug 8th 2016 at 5:53:04 PM

But Lion doesn't have a gem.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#38730: Aug 8th 2016 at 5:53:25 PM

[up][up][up]Amethyst is likely the only one who'd have used that term...

edited 8th Aug '16 5:53:51 PM by randomness4

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#38731: Aug 8th 2016 at 5:53:41 PM

Is that the first time we've seen gems refer to each other in such terms?
A search of the wikia, which has complete transcripts for every episode, indicates "yes".

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#38732: Aug 8th 2016 at 5:54:50 PM

Why must you point out all the flaws in our theories? /s

If Lion was Pink Diamond, wouldn't her gem be on her belly button?

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#38733: Aug 8th 2016 at 5:54:59 PM

But Lion doesn't have a gem.
I said it before and I'll say it again: The Slinker shows corrupted gems can have gemstones that are completely internal.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#38734: Aug 8th 2016 at 5:57:20 PM

The Gem placement doesn't seem to change...so, that don't help at all.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#38735: Aug 8th 2016 at 5:57:21 PM

Just seems kinda too obvious to have Lion turn out to be Pink Diamond.

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drac0blade Since: Jan, 2015
#38736: Aug 8th 2016 at 5:57:36 PM

wild mass guess Rose shattered Pink Diamond, and was so broken up (heh) over what she had done that she vowed to never do it again. That's why she was so adamant that the Shatterpoint should never be used, not even as a weapon of last resort.wild mass guess

ClownToy Since: Aug, 2015
#38737: Aug 8th 2016 at 5:58:24 PM

Sure, it makes sense that the one who "betrayed" you (we are talking about the Diamonds, a mere insult made one so angry so she activated the communicator to explode) is a great being. And if you basically "died" and "resurrected", help the one who "killed" you is the most reasonable decision.

Because that, I doubt that lion could be Pink Diamond.

edited 8th Aug '16 5:59:04 PM by ClownToy

MousaThe14 Writer, Artist, Ignored from Northern Virginia Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#38738: Aug 8th 2016 at 6:07:53 PM

You assume all Diamonds are alike, which is the same mistake Bismuth made about Homeworld loyalists. The whole point of mercy was Rose understanding that given the chance Gems could have the capacity to change and not every one was alike in their purpose. The potential to be different exists, and that would be one of the ultimate insults against the rigid Homeworld society if one Diamond realized that change was possible and made that choice.

Also not every gem has to be visible, for all we know its internal or hidden in the mane somewhere.

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#38739: Aug 8th 2016 at 6:09:02 PM

Shit, now I've thought of something:

What if Jasper accidentally gets unbubbled and Lion confronts her?

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#38740: Aug 8th 2016 at 6:13:40 PM

[up] Wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.

Lion being Pink Diamond is an easy guess, but it would also be really awesome that there was a diamond here this whole time.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#38741: Aug 8th 2016 at 6:13:45 PM

What of it? It's not like Jasper knows anything now, and even assuming Lion is Pink Diamond, it doesn't seem like he would either.

Oh, there's a shot to that theory right there, Lion is a he. Honestly I don't see how Lion being Pink Diamond is the easy answer. It strikes the same cord with me as "Lion is really Rose" and is only a leg up because it's technically possible.

edited 8th Aug '16 6:15:27 PM by LSBK

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#38742: Aug 8th 2016 at 6:14:21 PM

In retrospect, count me in for this.

Hell, maybe Lion is the key to a possible Jasper redemption?

[up]

If I recall correctly, Steven only referred to Lion as a he and nobody's said anything to the contrary.

Plus some female lions have manes.

edited 8th Aug '16 6:15:13 PM by AdricDePsycho

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ClownToy Since: Aug, 2015
#38743: Aug 8th 2016 at 6:14:51 PM

[up][up][up][up]Ugghh, maybe a huge battle I guess.

You know, ignoring the past story and all, in the present Lion was more than willing to fight Jasper along with Stevonnie. Why? Who knows, you can be your own judge.

edited 8th Aug '16 6:15:36 PM by ClownToy

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#38744: Aug 8th 2016 at 6:16:36 PM

[up][up]Why would anyone say anything to the contrary? Like, if the point is they haven't actually bothered sexing him that's kind of weak.

edited 8th Aug '16 6:17:19 PM by LSBK

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#38745: Aug 8th 2016 at 6:17:14 PM

So how do we even know Lion is male?

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#38746: Aug 8th 2016 at 6:17:15 PM

It's not like Jasper knows anything now, and even assuming Lion is Pink Diamond, it doesn't seem like he would either.
Corrupted gems can communicate with each other—the two snow monsters in "Gem Hunt" agreed to run past Connie, Pearl, and Steven and split up while Jasper was chasing them. That might only apply if they're very similar, though.

TheFox Quick like... Since: Jan, 2013
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#38747: Aug 8th 2016 at 6:17:51 PM

I think that at some point after "Steven vs. Amethyst", someone pointed out that there seemed to be pink shards floating in the ruins...

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#38748: Aug 8th 2016 at 6:18:51 PM

[up][up][up]Because the characters call him male. Do you question any of the others (even corrupted ones) being called she. That doesn't strike me as clever, they don't even consider Lion a gem. Yeah, they could be wrong, but we have no real reason to believe that.

Edit: Also, if Lion was Pink Diamond, I'd imagine at least Pearl and Garnet would know about it. Jasper seems to know what happened to Pink Diamond and she's seen Lion. The whole thing seems like a giant stretch, really.

edited 8th Aug '16 6:20:54 PM by LSBK

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#38749: Aug 8th 2016 at 6:20:20 PM

We had this exact discussion like two months ago, and the same people are saying the same things.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#38750: Aug 8th 2016 at 6:20:27 PM

Eh, if Lion is pink diamond, I think that info would arrive at the end of the series. I could see Jasper freaking out and hugging Pink Diamond once she gets uncorrupted, but that'd be long after Jasper gets redeemed.

I think Jasper's redemption will rely on Steven proving he

A) isn't Rose

B) won't abandon Jasper

C) genuinely wants to help people


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