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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#38676: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:42:39 PM

I want to see Peridot eventually fuse with someone.

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#38677: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:43:17 PM

Yeah, I didn't want it to happen immediately. But it happening eventually could have helped with that aspect too, showing Lapis that fusion doesn't have to be a horrible process and can be fun and liberating.

Oissu!
dmysta3000 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#38678: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:45:57 PM

Him fusing with Ame first makes more sense because they have always had a brother/sister dynamic going on that has only gotten stronger these past few episodes.

edited 8th Aug '16 4:46:22 PM by dmysta3000

GUNDAMU GUNDAMU
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#38679: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:47:16 PM

I was actually thinking about Jasper's view of the crystal gems earlier, and this episode causes it to make a lot more sense.

Jasper comes out of the earth, ready to serve pink diamond and help her colony. She's young and inexperienced. Then Rose, an older quartz who Jasper probably looked up to, does something to their diamond. Jasper is taken by Yellow Diamond, and fights against Rose. She loses her diamond, her colony, and her fellow soldiers abandon homeworld to side with Rose (such as Biggs Jasper).

Thousands of years later, Jasper comes back to earth with Peridot, and sees who she thinks is Rose. First thing she does it take down Rose's team and capture them. She'll finally avenge her diamond!

The ship blows up, she gets dragged into the sea. She escapes, gets split from Lapis, and can't fuse with her again. She decides to build a new army, to finally beat Rose and avenge her diamond. Her army escapes, she's cornered, and she panics. She also learns that Peridot, her one ally on earth, ditched her limb enhancers and joined Rose. Jasper fuses, gets split apart, and then starts to corrupt. Rose tries to help her, but why would Jasper trust Rose? After everything?

She's still a villain, but from her POV, Rose/Steven should never be trusted. She thinks Rose is just taking everything from her.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#38680: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:47:30 PM

We know the first times we saw Opal and Sugilite weren't the first times they did it.
And that they don't just do so in the face of desperate crisis, Pearl just said that about Opal because those two didn't like to fuse back then.

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#38681: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:48:31 PM

I....have to admit. At the end, I really pitied Jasper. Brutal and nasty, but it's clear for me she was created as a weapon for the Diamonds and never really had a chance to be anything else and losing Pink Diamond (who must be akin to a God to her) did a number on her.

The "Nobody I fuse with wants to stay with me..." line also lent another layer to it...as twisted and unhealthy as her thing with Lapis was, it's probably the only deep connection to another Gem Jasper has ever had like that. If she had someone to show her affection and care for real, maybe it could've been different for her.

Damn you, SU, for making me feel for such a brutal, nasty character. I hope she comes back later to get some redemption because she's really another victim of the Diamonds. And really, Amethyst acknowledging her as a sister? After everything, Amethyst realizing she's stronger because of her friends and loved ones while for all her power, Jasper is totally alone (and apparently lonelier than she was willing to admit)....damn, I love this show's depth

edited 8th Aug '16 4:49:33 PM by Lightysnake

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#38682: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:49:30 PM

Everyone on this show has depth.

Except for Kevin and Marty, fuck them.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#38683: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:49:58 PM

'Fuck Marty' is a sentiment I can relate to. Prick.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#38684: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:50:06 PM

She's not nasty, she's just real. You always feel bad for the real people.

I'm not quite seeing it yet.

[up]He's more of a snake.

edited 8th Aug '16 4:51:00 PM by randomness4

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#38685: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:50:37 PM

Come to think of it, I just had a theory: what if Yellow Diamond is so hell bent on the Cluster destroying Earth because she wants vengeance for Pink Diamond too?

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#38686: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:51:56 PM

Btw, Smoky Quartz is awesome. I might even like her more than Sardonyx.

BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Watcher on the Tower
#38687: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:51:58 PM

Maybe Pink Diamond made Jasper herself as a personal guard, but then Rose did...something to her that caused her to question the side she was on.

Maybe she respected PD and Rose, but not necessarily the life on it, and saw Rose turn Pink Diamond into Lion?

"The cruelest thing you can do to an artist is tell them their work is flawless when it isn't." -Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#38688: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:52:36 PM

He's more of a snake.
More like a shark.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#38689: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:52:47 PM

It'd be interesting to see whether or not the diamonds care about each other.

Also, I really hope there's an increase in Jasper and Amethyst sibling art.

lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#38690: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:52:51 PM

Rose Quartz totally ate Pink Diamond to get more power! Or something like that [lol]

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#38691: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:55:19 PM

[up][up][up]That works too, he's gotta keep on moving or he'll fall from grace.

If YD is also doing this to Avenge PD...it'd make sense if they were close.

edited 8th Aug '16 4:55:35 PM by randomness4

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#38692: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:55:24 PM

No, Lion ate Pink Diamond. That's how he went from a cat to a giant pink lion.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#38693: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:55:34 PM

I don't know if Yellow Diamond cares personally that pink diamond got offed. It would definitely add some depth to her and that would be good, although my first guess was that it wasn't necessarily personal so much as a question of values and status, i.e "this offense against a diamond is unacceptable and everything connected to it must be destroyed".

dmysta3000 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#38694: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:56:51 PM

It looks like in my excitement I didn't notice that CN put up clips for the latter 2 episodes of this week. Havent seen em myself but considering these are the first two episodes of Season 4 I'm just going to assume there's spoilers in these to watch out.

GUNDAMU GUNDAMU
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#38695: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:58:09 PM

>not available in your country

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#38696: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:58:14 PM

There's no spoilers in that first one...now that these 2 recent episodes already aired.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#38697: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:58:36 PM

I think what Steven said to Amethyst sheds light as to why he couldn't fuse with the other Crystal Gems before.

It wasn't (just) because he's organic, it was because he never thought of them as equals—Steven still thought he was just their hanger-on. He didn't have that problem with Connie, and now he no longer has it with Amethyst.

Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#38698: Aug 8th 2016 at 4:58:46 PM

Yay! What did I call?

You guessed that "Smokey Quartz" would end up being the fusion of Steven/Rose and Amethyst.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#38699: Aug 8th 2016 at 5:00:22 PM

[up] Oh right. I actually started thinking SQ would be Jasper and Amethyst around when Crack The Whip aired.

Someone pointed out a cool bit of foreshadowing we all missed.

In The Answer, Sapphire calls BD "My Diamond."

Peridot and Yellow Pearl called YD "My Diamond."

In The Return, Jasper called YD "Yellow Diamond."

YD wasn't Jasper's diamond. PD is, and we completely missed it.

edited 8th Aug '16 5:01:06 PM by smokeycut

Lightysnake Since: May, 2010
#38700: Aug 8th 2016 at 5:02:31 PM

So, what're the odds on Jasper returning? Have there been any other leaks that indicate that one way or the other like they did with Smokey?

...you can PM me that if there are spoilers.


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