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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#38376: Aug 6th 2016 at 3:50:36 PM

[up][up]But as a caveat to this, all killing is not murder. Like, if in some extreme hypothetical Jasper happens to get shattered while fighting her, the Gems didn't murder her just because she died.

edited 6th Aug '16 3:50:59 PM by LSBK

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#38377: Aug 6th 2016 at 3:50:52 PM

I'm not justifying murder.

Jasper is an extremely dangerous Gem,she's far from innocent and it is going to be very difficult to redeem her at any rate

edited 6th Aug '16 3:55:31 PM by Ultimatum

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#38378: Aug 6th 2016 at 3:53:34 PM

And that's the real crux of the issues, there is really no situation where shattering an opponent is an option but just poofing them and sealing them away isn't. At least not for individual Gems.

In agreement with this. Gems aren't really like humans in this regard, it's perfectly possible to render a gem incapable of causing any further harm without "killing" them (and that's apparently not what shattering them is anyways, it's worse).

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#38379: Aug 6th 2016 at 3:59:41 PM

Do wonder though...we've only seen the shards reform back into limbs, could they also end being disembodied heads? That'd be some freaky stuff, we don't have enough of that.

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EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#38380: Aug 6th 2016 at 4:05:08 PM

[up][up][up]"Fuck guys, helping Jasper become a better person is going to be difficult. Might as well murder her."

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#38381: Aug 6th 2016 at 4:06:59 PM

To be fair, when you're keeping someone in a perpetual state of unconsciousness with no plans to ever set them free, the difference between that and death seems a bit... immaterial.

Xeroop Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#38382: Aug 6th 2016 at 4:07:58 PM

While I doubt any of the protagonists is going to off Jasper permanently, I feel like she's going to die over the course of the series due to being the only character with absolutely no redeeming qualities - not by anyone else's hand, but due to her own stubbornness and zeal.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#38383: Aug 6th 2016 at 4:08:50 PM

Jasper is literally insane,how are they going to stop her being crazy?

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Mio Since: Jan, 2001
#38384: Aug 6th 2016 at 4:08:52 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]I can't imagine that being anything other then a head that's always screaming.

[up][up][up][up]And even if you can't reform her you can just keep her bubbled forever (unless we learn that that has a limit later).

edited 6th Aug '16 4:10:01 PM by Mio

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#38385: Aug 6th 2016 at 4:08:57 PM

[up][up][up]The same could've been said about Peridot, yet look where she is now.

[up][up]Uh, no she isn't. She clearly has her sanity intact- it's just that she's focused on her goal.

edited 6th Aug '16 4:09:55 PM by EpicBleye

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#38386: Aug 6th 2016 at 4:09:40 PM

I highly doubt she's gonna die.

Like, that'd be just a complete waste given how much the Crewniverse likes her.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#38387: Aug 6th 2016 at 4:09:56 PM

[up]x5 She's not the only character with flat redemption qualities, just the only re-occuring character with none of them.

edited 6th Aug '16 4:11:23 PM by randomness4

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#38388: Aug 6th 2016 at 4:10:18 PM

I thought we were done with all the "Jasper will/won't be redeemed" discussion and are just waiting to see what happens?

edited 6th Aug '16 4:14:48 PM by LSBK

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#38389: Aug 6th 2016 at 4:10:43 PM

but someone on the internet is wrong!!

"There's not a girl alive who wouldn't be happy being called cute." ~Tamamo-no-Mae
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#38390: Aug 6th 2016 at 4:10:46 PM

Ultimatum, just drop it.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#38391: Aug 6th 2016 at 4:10:58 PM

Peridot is completely different,surly you see that?

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EpicBleye drunk bunny from her bed being very eepy Since: Sep, 2014 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#38392: Aug 6th 2016 at 4:12:28 PM

When she was introduced as an antagonist she, just like Jasper, had no redeeming qualities whenever she showed up and only served as an enemy to the crystal gems.

Then she had a couple episodes focused on her.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#38393: Aug 6th 2016 at 4:13:25 PM

Peridot and Jasper are being treated very differently, but that's not really the point. The point is if we keep going on like this the discussion will probably consume the thread.

edited 6th Aug '16 4:14:23 PM by LSBK

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#38394: Aug 6th 2016 at 4:13:43 PM

[up][up]After she got captured...in her first appearance she struggled to be an uncaring product of her society.

edited 6th Aug '16 4:14:29 PM by randomness4

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Xeroop Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#38395: Aug 6th 2016 at 4:14:35 PM

[up][up] Yes they are. Plus from a Doylist standpoint just making every single villain redeem themselves over the power of love and acceptance would get repetitive.

edited 6th Aug '16 4:15:02 PM by Xeroop

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#38396: Aug 6th 2016 at 4:16:00 PM

Guys, people have expressed their desire to drop it, so please drop it.

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#38397: Aug 6th 2016 at 4:16:12 PM

That is also true.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#38398: Aug 6th 2016 at 4:21:49 PM

Bah!

You've not seen the last of me

-vanishes in a puff of angry smoke-

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Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#38399: Aug 6th 2016 at 4:22:01 PM

Well, not exactly. After the first few episodes she started being more weird and goofy. Contrast how Steven treats her in "Friend Ship" where he wishes her a good weekend versus how he describes Jasper as awful.

I guess the thing with Peridot is, try as she might, she never succeeded at any of the awful shit she did, and that makes it incredibly easy for a villain to be redeemed or at least sympathetic (Blackarachnia and Waspinator from Beast Wars are good examples of this, respectively). She tried to kill the Gems numerous times, but she was also silly and had outrageous reactions to things and had a funny catchphrase. If Bismuth popped out of her bubble then chances are that nobody would hold a grudge over the "she was literally about to stab Steven and kill him" thing, because it didn't work.

Jasper, meanwhile, clearly takes great joy in destroying the Gems when they arrive, headbutts Steven unconscious, pressures Lapis into fusion ("Just say yes" ain't exactly subtle), stalks Lapis after unfusing, blatantly preys on Amethyst's insecurities over her size, mocks Steven for fusing with Connie, and is now capturing corrupted Gems to build an army. She's continually doing things are played as genuinely horrifying and awful, whereas Peridot did bad guy things and got beat up until she stopped being bad.

lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#38400: Aug 6th 2016 at 4:23:26 PM

I mean, the creators say she is a member of the main cast with more depth to show but does that really mean that she will be part of that as an ally or could it be as the most recurring antagonist with her own issues that get explored without actual redemption?

edited 6th Aug '16 4:24:16 PM by lycropath


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