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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#38201: Aug 5th 2016 at 12:13:18 PM

that helmet look "Plastic" like modern homeworld, dosent it?
It looks like it's made of crystal, just like most gem tech, modern of ancient.

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#38202: Aug 5th 2016 at 12:28:04 PM

There seems to be something special about Bismuths, they can create unique Gem weapons/structures nobody else can. pearl even says they've not come back to the Forge because there was no need to. So if anyone can modify a unique Gem weapon, I don't doubt she could, if that's indeed what she's doing.

Also her mention of building arenas and spires gives me a imperial Rome vibe.

Bismuth: You really don't remember, huh? Rose Quartz changed my life. I came to Earth thinking this was just another colony. Build another arena for important fighters to fight in, build another spire for important thinkers to think in, and then, I met her. Just another Quartz soldier, made right here in the dirt, but she was different. And she was different because she decided to be. And she asked me what I wanted to build, and I'd never heard that before. And Gems never hear they can be anything other than what they are, but Rose opened our eyes.

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#38203: Aug 5th 2016 at 12:29:07 PM

I just got the pun with Bismuth's standard insult for the Homeworld elite: 'Upper-Crust'.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#38204: Aug 5th 2016 at 12:32:00 PM

She did try to use the Breaking Point on Stephen, so that pun makes sense.

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higurashimerlin Since: Aug, 2012
#38205: Aug 5th 2016 at 12:33:51 PM

The thing about the breaking point is that it is kind of useless. So it kind of distracts from the rest of the episode.

It might have better if the weapon Bismuth made was the same as what corrupted the gems. That could actually make a difference in the war.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#38206: Aug 5th 2016 at 12:37:28 PM

@darkabomination: The mention of intellectuals paints Homeworld different than I expected. Or at least past Homeworld—Lapis did think current Homeworld was way worse.

[up]In direct combat, I don't think it's supposed to be any better than any other weapon, just more lethal. Between Rose's Sword and the Breaking Point, neither was more likely to win the battle, but Bismuth winning would have killed Steven, while Bismuth could still come back.

edited 5th Aug '16 12:40:56 PM by thatother1dude

higurashimerlin Since: Aug, 2012
#38207: Aug 5th 2016 at 12:44:27 PM

[up]It is worst than pretty much any weapon I can think of. The range means it has to be shot point blank, the enemy can easily dodge it, it has to hit the gem to be lethal. It would be easier to proof them and then shatter the gem. There was no way it could change the war for the better. It kind of might have worked on Steven since she didn't need to shatter his gem to kill him.

edited 5th Aug '16 12:45:29 PM by higurashimerlin

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#38208: Aug 5th 2016 at 12:46:14 PM

It'd instantly poof them anyway if it misses...

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GamerSlyRatchet Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#38209: Aug 5th 2016 at 12:54:21 PM

Not to mention there's always the possibility of the Breaking Points being upgraded into something more effective and devastating.

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#38210: Aug 5th 2016 at 12:56:52 PM

You can poof and shatter a gem with any weapon, throwing a rock real hard would be just as effective, Sardonyx already has a drill, like WTH Bismuth, you ain't bright.

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Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#38211: Aug 5th 2016 at 12:57:44 PM

At this point I'm not sure if I want to continue this Jasper-Bismuth discussion or let it die. note 

I'll be blunt about my feelings. Also I try to stop myself from commenting on everything or we end up with essay: I can't help but find these complains about beefy women a bit "strawy-graspy". I mean we have a female beefy villain who is cool and treated seriously. She actually has much batter chance at redemption than your average beefy, intimidating villain . Bismuth is another well written beefy woman. She's cool, likable and complex. Hardly a real villain,her bubbling is treated as very tragic. Even better chances of redemption. These are not common characters. They're more interesting and multilayered then muscled women you can find in most shows. Oh, and the same show already has covered numerous other diversity issues including genderless character. And that's not enough?

I mean I have issues with stuff too. Whether it's small (boy teams need token girl, but girl teams never have token boys), medium (hitting a woman is shown to be bad, even when she's a villain ) or big (domestic violence is always portrayed as something that only men do) I could easily get offended all the time. Or I could learn to go with flow and accept every little victory I get. I would say that Jasper and Bismuth are a little victory to say at least. And yes, I know that Steve got me covered in all issues I mentioned above, thank you very much.

edited 5th Aug '16 12:58:00 PM by Sunchet

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#38212: Aug 5th 2016 at 12:58:15 PM

You can't know the flaws of a weapon like this without test, but Bismuth has some bias...mostly because Rosey wouldn't let her use it.

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SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#38213: Aug 5th 2016 at 1:00:49 PM

Whips and helmets do not make good weapons, either. Rule of Cool.

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#38214: Aug 5th 2016 at 1:15:16 PM

The more I think about it, the less effective Bismuth's weapon actually seems. I mean, putting aside the fact that you have to manage to somehow aim right at the gemstone with the Shattering Point in order for it to work (although, it might also work if you just hit some part of the body, as in it gives you one-hit kills... but didn't Rose's sword basically do the same thing?), what real advantage does shattering a Gem have as opposed to bubbling it? Was the concern that Homeworld forces could get to the Gems and unbubble them or something? (BTW, since the war was presumably before the temple was made, where did they keep all the bubbled gems?)

edited 5th Aug '16 1:15:42 PM by DeathsApprentice

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SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#38215: Aug 5th 2016 at 1:21:50 PM

Even though I could see Homeworld making finding and unbubbling their Gems an objective, Bismuth wanted to kill them to kill them, basically.

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That too.

edited 5th Aug '16 1:22:36 PM by SilentColossus

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#38216: Aug 5th 2016 at 1:22:00 PM

It takes less time to shatter than it does to bubble...which you wouldn't be doing it the middle of a war due to it leaving you vulnerable to enemy attack.

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#38217: Aug 5th 2016 at 1:26:07 PM

The line about Rose being made "right here in the dirt" makes me wonder where the upper crust Gems like the Diamonds were made. Everything we know about Gems suggests they were all made from soil. Don't the Diamonds come from the ground too?

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#38218: Aug 5th 2016 at 1:27:12 PM

[up]x4 It seems like a good weapon for assasinations though.

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#38219: Aug 5th 2016 at 1:35:23 PM

@random: Oh, that is true. I guess in the middle of war, they wouldn't really have time to bubble the Gems. So does that mean they just left them there to fight other soldiers? That seems pretty likely. Well, then I guess Breaking Point is less useless than I thought.

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#38220: Aug 5th 2016 at 1:38:30 PM

Yeah, after thinking about it, the Breaking Point just seemed to be a plot device to give Steven an "I'm a fighter, but I'm not a killer" moment, as opposed to an actual weapon. If she came up with a weapon that could shatter multiple Gems at the same time in a small radius, or in rapid succession, now that could've given Steven a moment and be versatile weapon.

Maybe Bismuth could've made a weapon that launches small metal projectiles at great speed from a distance.

A weapon like that seems like something only in sci-fi, I know. But I bet the Crewniverse can come up with something that seems realistic.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#38221: Aug 5th 2016 at 1:44:24 PM

So does that mean they just left them there to fight other soldiers?
Presumably combatants ignored them at the moment to focus on still-active opponents, and waited until the area was clear to retrieve the gems of their allies and contain or destroy those of their enemies.

Basically how live casualties are treated in real life, except there's no imediate need for medical attention.

edited 5th Aug '16 1:46:08 PM by thatother1dude

hcobb Since: Jan, 2001
#38222: Aug 5th 2016 at 1:46:46 PM

wild mass guess Rose rejected the Breaking Point because it was the only weapon effective against her shield.

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#38223: Aug 5th 2016 at 2:05:08 PM

So did anyone else get the 'Upper-Crust' pun, or am I being dumb and it was super obvious to everyone? If there is anyone who didn't get it, it's along the same lines as Peridot's 'Clod'.

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#38224: Aug 5th 2016 at 2:13:17 PM

I got it the second time it rolled around. I then forced myself to stop thinking about it when I thought to look up where in Earth's crust different gems form.

I wonder if the Breaking Point would have come across a little more... realistic if it had been some sort of directed sonic weapon? Might have been a little on the nose, but I think it would have been more believable.

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#38225: Aug 5th 2016 at 2:18:14 PM

Speaking of "upper-crust gems", here's an interesting theory about them.

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