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BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Watcher on the Tower
#37976: Aug 4th 2016 at 6:55:41 PM

[up] I've been thinking about that. Maybe they're going to back to the moon, see a map of the universe, and realize the sense of scale they've been ignoring all this time: Homeworld have probably been taking over entire galaxies while the Crystal Gems been "defending" this one planet

edited 4th Aug '16 6:56:35 PM by BlueBlaze64

"The cruelest thing you can do to an artist is tell them their work is flawless when it isn't." -Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#37977: Aug 4th 2016 at 6:56:06 PM

The way Bismuth immediately identified Steven as a "meatball" and wasn't surprised to see him hanging out with the Crystal Gems suggests that humans did indeed fight side-by-side with Gems in the war.

Can we add Bismuth to the Sassy Black Woman page?

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#37978: Aug 4th 2016 at 6:58:51 PM

[up]No, because she's not even human. You can mention on the trivia page, that she's played by one though, under a Hey Its That Voice entry.

edited 4th Aug '16 7:01:15 PM by xanderiskander

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#37979: Aug 4th 2016 at 7:02:51 PM

She's very much a black coded character, though. Just like Amethyst and Garnet.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#37980: Aug 4th 2016 at 7:02:57 PM

If I interpreted things correctly, part of the tragedy is that the Shattering Point wouldn't even have mattered.

Rose and Bismuth's altercation happened right before the battle at the strawberry fields. Which was a big victory for the Rebellion anyway without a superweapon and which caused Homeworld to withdraw... most? of their forces and unleash their own superweapon which destroyed Rose's army.

Although telling Bismuth that would just get her more angry at Homeworld.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#37981: Aug 4th 2016 at 7:05:11 PM

You sure it was right before that battle?

Oh God! Natural light!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#37982: Aug 4th 2016 at 7:08:55 PM

Rose told the other Crystal Gems that Bismuth must have gotten lost at the pyramid (?). And then when Steven found her, they figured that Rose had saved Bismuth from the Diamond Doom Wave by hiding her in Lion.

So it seems there's a tight time frame there. She can't have been missing too long, as personable as she is.

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#37983: Aug 4th 2016 at 7:13:41 PM

The more I learn about this 2 parter the more I love it. They've really outdone themselves this time.

edited 4th Aug '16 7:14:02 PM by xanderiskander

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#37985: Aug 4th 2016 at 7:25:35 PM

(Sorry for only skimming like the last 10 pages, the posts were getting very long)

Unless the Diamond developed the corruption wave right before using it, the Breaking Point wouldn't have helped any, just rushed the rebellion toward Homeworld's Godzilla Threshold.

Rose told the other Crystal Gems that Bismuth must have gotten lost at the pyramid (?).
Ziggurat; maybe this thing.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#37986: Aug 4th 2016 at 7:26:46 PM

What episode is that image from?

RegisteredUser Body contains a Human Soul. from It's as cold as it looks. Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Desperate
Body contains a Human Soul.
#37987: Aug 4th 2016 at 7:27:19 PM

There is a lot of stuff to unpack in this episode, but I'm really just wondering which one of y'all started calling the Breaking Point the "Shattering Point." It's really infected this discussion. :P
I don't have the energy and focus to say as much about the episode itself as I'd like, so I'll summarize by saying that it was excellent and perfectly terrible! Oh, and while I do think they other Gems should really just let Bismuth reform and really talk through what's happened, I kinda can't blame them for putting her in Gem jail for the time being, given the whole two counts of attempted murder on her sheet. That's kind of dealbreaking complication. I mean, it's still more rationale to cut her slack for the time being than Jasper, but it's not a good situation. Another time, Rainbow Mom.

edited 4th Aug '16 7:27:37 PM by RegisteredUser

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#37988: Aug 4th 2016 at 7:27:59 PM

[up][up]It's one of the structures shown on the console in "It Could've Been Great".

[up]They'll probably planning to let her out once the war is over for real. I'm pretty sure that won't take a thousand year, plus she'll probably get out before then even.

edited 4th Aug '16 7:29:28 PM by thatother1dude

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#37989: Aug 4th 2016 at 7:30:35 PM

Can we add Bismuth to the Sassy Black Woman page?

She's not really sassy, though? :/

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Ninjaxenomorph The best and the worst. from Texas, Texas, Texas Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
The best and the worst.
#37990: Aug 4th 2016 at 7:34:52 PM

I want to see Peridot and Lapis's reaction to Bismuth if (when) she comes back. The latter for the inevitable "YOU", the former to see the confrontation between Steven's method and Bismuth's solution.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#37991: Aug 4th 2016 at 7:36:08 PM

[up][up]"Sassy" usually describes someone who's upbeat but kind of a smartass, like Amesthyst. I'd say Bismuth's tone is more "jovial".

edited 4th Aug '16 7:36:20 PM by thatother1dude

A_dude Nominal guy Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
Nominal guy
#37993: Aug 4th 2016 at 7:39:52 PM

So while I do have my many personal thoughts on the episode, and most people have already talked about them (and the counter-points) to death—also really impressed how we kept things civil throughout—I'm amazed nobody has brought up Bismuth's true contribution to the plot.

Namely, the Gems' weapon upgrades.

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RegisteredUser Body contains a Human Soul. from It's as cold as it looks. Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Desperate
Body contains a Human Soul.
#37994: Aug 4th 2016 at 7:40:22 PM

I agree, that seems likely. They're obviously not going to let her sleep forever. That's never been the goal for any of the bubbled Gems, after all.

... Though, the problem there of course is that the Crystal Gems clearly aren't in any position to be hoping to be able to end the war for the foreseeable future. Or rather, an end to the war that also isn't the end of the Earth and their lives. Shit's kinda grim, really, even if they wanted to ignore the oceanic monster-dog herding asshole. But, well, compromises gotta be made somewhere, the situation being what it is. I do hope we get some time to see her again.

Actually, on that note, I hope that when the conflicts of the series are over that we do get a nice long epilogue. The way this show tends to give its characters a chance to breathe and unwind and live is one of my favorite aspects of it, and the finale should definitely be allowed to have that kind of generous denouement as well.

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#37995: Aug 4th 2016 at 7:41:15 PM

Mention of a Ziggurat makes me pretty happy. Very well comes close to suggesting my long-standing thought that the war was on in the time of the Sumerians, and primitive humanity did their best to help the fight.

The episode's just fantastic all around. The tension in that final confrontation was exquisite. Seriously that music, the gorgeous animation, the everything was on point.

BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Watcher on the Tower
#37996: Aug 4th 2016 at 7:43:00 PM

[up][up][up] Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see them fight with those weapon upgrades. Though, to be honest, I thought she was going to outright replace some (or all) of their weapons.

edited 4th Aug '16 8:07:33 PM by BlueBlaze64

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#37997: Aug 4th 2016 at 7:44:28 PM

Pearl and Amethyst's upgrades are basically replacements of the same weapon variety.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#37999: Aug 4th 2016 at 7:53:39 PM

Celebration for "Steven Universe" getting 100 episodes faster than most shows can...in 2 years.

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A_dude Nominal guy Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
Nominal guy
#38000: Aug 4th 2016 at 7:54:35 PM

[up][up] And I bet they didn't even eat it! smile

Meanwhile, in an alternate universe...

I'm sorry

edited 4th Aug '16 7:54:49 PM by A_dude

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