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Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#37876: Aug 4th 2016 at 5:42:02 PM

JUST LET HER OUT OF THE BUBBLE AND BE FRIENDS YOU GUYS

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#37877: Aug 4th 2016 at 5:42:11 PM

I wouldn't call Bismuth "bad", there were issues there they just couldn't solve this time.

diyedas Since: Feb, 2010
#37878: Aug 4th 2016 at 5:43:10 PM

[up]That's why I changed it to "extreme". It was for lack of a better word at the time.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#37879: Aug 4th 2016 at 5:43:14 PM

You could tell something was off right from her theme. As soon as she was unbubbled, there was this screechy guitar tone with an angry noise to it that recurred throughout the episode. Seems to kind of fit her.

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#37880: Aug 4th 2016 at 5:43:53 PM

Hrm. I'm kind of frustrated by this episode.

So far two big, muscular, masculine presenting/butch ladies have appeared on the show, and both are bad people who want to murder people.

It's reaching Unfortunate Implications.

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#37881: Aug 4th 2016 at 5:44:09 PM

Honestly I expected Bismuth to turn bad. I guessed it before the leaks even happened, so I was ready for it. But with how well Bismuth got along with the other characters, and her pep talk with Steven, it kind of hit me hard in the end anyway. Probably the reason for that is I don't really know what the best answer was, so I kind of empathize with both sides.

Bismuth's hardcore, but I worried she'd turn out to be a secret traitor or something. And then there's her conversation with Steven leading up to their confrontation- was Bismuth testing Steven, trying to figure out if Rose was still in there, or was she genuine about liking Steven's pre-battle rituals and trying to be friends with him?

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#37882: Aug 4th 2016 at 5:44:54 PM

[up][up]I wouldn't say Bismuth is a bad person. I think she saw war was hell and wanted to protect her friends and kill the Diamonds at any cost.

edited 4th Aug '16 5:45:44 PM by PhiSat

Oissu!
KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#37883: Aug 4th 2016 at 5:45:15 PM

[up][up][up] I've seen some Discourse going around Tumblr.

I have a feeling this is going to be a rough episode from the fandom.

edited 4th Aug '16 5:45:29 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#37884: Aug 4th 2016 at 5:45:31 PM

She tried to murder Steven because he said he didn't want to shatter gems.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#37885: Aug 4th 2016 at 5:45:45 PM

I actually feel for Rose a lot, because I've been in a leadership position before, and being expected to make the "right" decision when everyone has different opinions is really hard. It makes you wonder and feel guilty about what you could have done different. You don't want to let anyone down, and you don't want to make the wrong decsion, but by making a decision when opinions are split you always let somebody down. I never had to chose anything on this scale mind you. But I can imagine it, and I wouldn't wish that on anybody.

edited 4th Aug '16 5:47:24 PM by xanderiskander

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Starting to believe in himself
#37886: Aug 4th 2016 at 5:46:20 PM

I suspected her since as soon as she was un bubbed she looked like she was in a defensive fighting stance, and more importantly, without her weapons or her arms transformed. what if Rose stabbed her before she could react

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#37887: Aug 4th 2016 at 5:46:39 PM

Saying Bismuth is bad flat-out is kind of an overreaction...there's clearly some sympathy there.

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#37888: Aug 4th 2016 at 5:46:57 PM

[up][up][up][up]That makes me wonder, did anyone tell Bismuth Steven couldn't be poofed, and would die if he was injured? Not that that makes her Freak Out much better, but I think she was being triggered for a lack of a better word and rushed to defend herself prematurely because of what happened in the past.

edited 4th Aug '16 5:47:23 PM by PhiSat

Oissu!
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#37889: Aug 4th 2016 at 5:47:28 PM

I'm pretty sure she's gonna be back sometime and learn from this.

Like, this isn't any form of unfortunate implication.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#37890: Aug 4th 2016 at 5:47:41 PM

Bismuth's character is deeper than that and supposed to be tragic. Saying that because things ended badly it's Unfortunate Implications, seems like ignoring what was actually going on and how deep it was, to just look at the surface.

It's how you eventually get things like Magical Negro.

edited 4th Aug '16 5:48:22 PM by LSBK

diyedas Since: Feb, 2010
#37891: Aug 4th 2016 at 5:47:52 PM

[up]x4 Which is why both me and Xander edited our posts and changed our wording.

edited 4th Aug '16 5:48:10 PM by diyedas

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#37892: Aug 4th 2016 at 5:48:12 PM

She was using the breaking point weapon while fighting another gem. Murder is kind of exactly what that weapon does.

And sympathy doesn't change the fact that both butch women on the show are shown to be violent extremists who like murder.

RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
True colors
#37893: Aug 4th 2016 at 5:48:44 PM

Yeah Bismuth is presented as misguided and not bad.

I wonder if she'll ever interact with Peridot. Living proof that bubbling in the long run leads to useful recruits with useful information.

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#37894: Aug 4th 2016 at 5:48:47 PM

She didn't use it on Steven though. She went at him with her mallet hands and threw a statue at him.

Oissu!
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#37895: Aug 4th 2016 at 5:48:59 PM

Bismuth doesn't like murder so much as she has it out for the Diamonds and wants revenge.

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#37896: Aug 4th 2016 at 5:49:07 PM

That makes me wonder, did anyone tell Bismuth Steven couldn't be poofed, and would die if he was injured? Not that that makes her Freak Out much better, but I think she was being triggered for a lack of a better word and rushed to defend herself prematurely because of what happened in the past.
She called him a meatball. I assumed she knew he was human.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#37897: Aug 4th 2016 at 5:49:40 PM

When did Bismuth show herself to like murder? She thought violence, and eventually killing, was necessary because of the trauma of things.. It's not at all as simple as "She's butch so of course she's violent!", her character was treated entirely organically.

I understand being on the luck out for Unfortunate Implications, but stuff like this is why I can't take Tumblr, as a whole, seriously.

edited 4th Aug '16 5:51:59 PM by LSBK

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#37898: Aug 4th 2016 at 5:50:50 PM

She began to panic, thought Steven was really Rose, and attacked as if he was Rose. She still didn't try to use her weapon on him at any point. I'm not sure murder was on her mind.

edited 4th Aug '16 5:51:15 PM by PhiSat

Oissu!
AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#37899: Aug 4th 2016 at 5:52:04 PM

It seemed to more be out of anger than out of intent to kill.

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#37900: Aug 4th 2016 at 5:53:01 PM

Bismuth was clearly frustrated throughout the whole scene, and crying at the end of it. I don't think she liked anything about the situation at all.


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