Pearl: "Amethyst we're ba...Oh my; you look different...
Amethyst: "Yeah, while Steven and Connie were training, Jasper and a big monster appeared. Jasper talked some smack about me being broken and then killed me."
Pearl: ...
Amethyst: "Well, I got better, obviously. Duh."
Your momma's so dumb she thinks oral sex means talking dirty.Um... how is Jasper even remotely an Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain?
Jasper remains a Knight of Cerebus whenever she appears.
edited 3rd Aug '16 12:25:33 PM by PhiSat
Oissu!She keeps showing up with some "grand scheme" that ultimately ends up being utterly ridiculous and flimsy, only to exit the episode in an often comical fashion.
Alone at sea? Her plan was... Asking to fuse again, and then hitting Steven. Got punched into the ocean.
Crack The Whip? Her "army" was two corrupted gems, and she was defeated by about a third of the good guys. Then she just kind of... Walked backwards into the ocean.
She's not nearly as funny as Peridot was towards the end, but there's still an element of comedy in just how bad her plans are, plus her random exits since Super Watermelon Island.
edited 3rd Aug '16 12:27:13 PM by smokeycut
Asking to fuse, which would have created Malachite again, and she almost killed Steven. Second time, she poofed Amethyst and was only defeated by Steven and Connie fusing, which she had no reason to expect was possible or likely. She's not all that ineffective, her plans are just not all that grand.
Oissu!She didn't have grand plan at sea, she was just desperate. And it's clear when she said army she didn't really mean just those two, she plans to get more.
But really, she doesn't give off the vibe of Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain at all. She may not succeed, but unlike with Peridot, she's still very intimidating, and there has been nothing that's supposed to make us feel sorry for her.
She and Peridot are being treated in very different ways, and all they really have in common is that they both inevitable fail.
edited 3rd Aug '16 12:28:59 PM by LSBK
No, just... no. An Ineffectual Sympathetic Villain is an antagonist who's so utterly pathetic and such a consistent failure that you start to sympathise with them instead of rooting against them, like Wile E. Coyote. It's someone who cannot be taken seriously at all as a threat. This does not apply even slightly to Jasper.
edited 3rd Aug '16 12:28:51 PM by DrDougsh
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That's not how it works. There is genuine fear when Jasper is involved that just was never present with Peridot. The moods they set are entirely different. The show is clearly treating the two differently.
Like, whatever you want to happen with Jasper later shouldn't have any bearing on how you think they're treating her now.
edited 3rd Aug '16 12:32:39 PM by LSBK
With Peridot we were actually shown her fumbling, not knowing exactly how her tech works, control panels malfunctioning, etc. She was a comedically pathetic character, even from the first moment we saw her, when she was scared of a cartoon sticker.
Jasper knows what she wants to do, and she puts it in motion. She may not totally succeed, but that doesn't make her inneffectual. She's dangerous and we're shown that. I mean, she throws around giant gem dogs, like it's a breeze.
And she has had some success. She's the only non corrupted gem character who has poofed any of the Crystal gems during a fight. And the only character to tame a corrupted gem, aside from Steven.
edited 3rd Aug '16 12:35:42 PM by xanderiskander
LSBK, could you please stop telling people how to view characters? If I say that I see some comedy in parts of Jasper's appearances (usually her awful planning and weird exits), you can't say "no, you're wrong, it's scary and that's that".
If I say that some of Peridot's villain moments were creepy/scary (such as having no problem with checking the cluster, despite knowing what it is, and trying to slowly crush 3 gems), you can't say "no, her moments were all funny and that's how you have to see them".
If you feel like the two are the same that's one thing, but that doesn't change that the characters don't seem to agree.
Different reactions, different music, different tension levels, everything. Steven never cowered or instinctively put up his bubble or shield with Peridot. Things never ended on an ominous note with Peridot.
I can't help it if you think the two are equivalent but the show (and apparently a lot of people here) disagree.
edited 3rd Aug '16 12:51:45 PM by LSBK
I think it's more that Peridots comedic moments were a dime a dozen, and very deliberate, and that Jasper's are extremely sparse, and kind of arguably more humorous because of fan Fridge Logic, than actually being intentional.
"Alone at Sea" does show Jasper in a light that's pretty pathetic and arguably pitiable, but it doesn't move into the realm of being comically pathetic — Jasper's newfound obsession with becoming Malachite again is treated very dramatically, and the threat of Lapis actually agreeing to fuse with her is treated with utmost gravity. The only moment that strikes me as being intended to be funny is Lapis smashing her into the distance, and even that strikes me as more an intended Crowning Moment Of Awesome for Lapis than something meant to demonstrate that Jasper isn't a threat.
I'm not seeing how Jasper's plan to collect corrupted gems for an army is something laughable, either. The end of "Gem Hunt" where we see Jasper easily take down two huge gem monsters, with the episode ending on Steven looking at her holding the two gems she's recuperated with concern on his face as dramatic music plays doesn't exactly scream "comedy" to me. I can't tell you not to find it funny, but I don't think it's intentionally so.
edited 3rd Aug '16 12:49:22 PM by DrDougsh

edited 3rd Aug '16 12:20:07 PM by LSBK