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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#37226: Aug 2nd 2016 at 10:29:18 PM

I can't help but feel there's some deja vu going on, because I could've sworn there was a lot of arguing over whether Peridot or Lapis would join the CG's.

And I'm not saying that to be snide, I do remember some arguing about it. Hell, I was one of the people arguing that Peridot should stay a villain.

edited 2nd Aug '16 10:29:55 PM by AdricDePsycho

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#37227: Aug 2nd 2016 at 10:30:25 PM

Pretty sure Lapis still doesn't consider herself a Crystal Gem. And I still say both of their situations are very different, but...

edited 2nd Aug '16 10:31:50 PM by LSBK

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#37228: Aug 2nd 2016 at 10:31:39 PM

Reasons I like Jasper include, but are not limited to...

-Her design. I love the colors, the square jaw, her lopsided smile, the pythons she calls arms, her voice, etc. She's big and buff and butch and I love it.

-Her history. She's the only character we've met who actually fought against Rose in the war. She could reveal a lot about Rose that the Crystal Gems won't.

-Her personality. Yeah, she's a piece of shit. She also has a sense of honor (one of the first things she did was mention that she respects Rose's tactics). She's also, as the crew said, very complex. I want to see how. They described her as White/Blue/Red in Magic The Gathering, which is an odd combo.

-She has potential. I tend to develop a liking for characters who don't get much focus at first, and I honestly couldn't tell you why. I get really overjoyed with every new piece of information we learn about them.

-Spite, somewhat. Everyone says she's awful and I shouldn't like her, which makes me like her more.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#37229: Aug 2nd 2016 at 10:32:39 PM

Who says you shouldn't like her? What's wrong with liking villains?

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#37230: Aug 2nd 2016 at 10:35:22 PM

There are people who get hate for liking any bad character on various sites. Unless the character is an angel who did nothing wrong, you're fucked. The more bad things they've done, the more awful you are for liking them.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#37231: Aug 2nd 2016 at 10:36:35 PM

I like Alarak in SCII and he's a full-on scumbag, who's only in it to help people if something's in it for himself. I don't want him to be forgiven for all the atrocities he did to his people though to climb to the top of the chain in his culture. I like him as a character, because he's sarcastic and snide in a way that I find very entertaining, but I don't like him as a person at all.

I understand liking antagonistic characters in that vein. Where you just find their bad qualities entertaining, or you love them because you hate them. But I don't understand wanting to see them turn over a new leaf, and change their ways, because it turns them into something else entirely and completely strips away what makes those types of characters entertaining.

edited 2nd Aug '16 10:40:08 PM by xanderiskander

diyedas Since: Feb, 2010
#37232: Aug 2nd 2016 at 10:38:16 PM

I myself argued that Jasper should stay a villain. But I seemed to have changed my mind for some reason.

Anyways, we agreed to not argue about this topic, so maybe we should give it a rest. I'm not a big enough fan of Jasper to be able to explain why the fandom thinks of her the way they do nor why they want certain things to happen to her character.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#37233: Aug 2nd 2016 at 10:38:33 PM

Ugh, not this argument again.

How about we wait and see what happens? Like, how about right here, right now, we make an agreement to not bring up the topic of Jasper being redeemed or not until after Know Your Fusion airs.

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#37234: Aug 2nd 2016 at 10:39:03 PM

Oh, forgot to mention a big one: a lot of Jasper fans want her to be redeemed so badly because we want to see what she would be like post redemption. Peridot is very different from how she behaved in Warp Tour, and getting to see that same shift for Jasper would be interesting. It's why so much Jasper fanart shows her hanging out with Steven, Connie, or any of the other Crystal Gems.

And okay. I just wanted to give the main reason why her fans do want to see it happen, regardless of if it will.

edited 2nd Aug '16 10:40:08 PM by smokeycut

diyedas Since: Feb, 2010
#37235: Aug 2nd 2016 at 10:44:05 PM

[up]That's what I'm talking about, the fans see potential in Jasper, I do too and I'm curious to see what she'd be like as a good guy. Nothing wrong with her being a bad guy but honestly I don't think the show was ever the type to focus on bad guys honestly. Someone on the last page posted a link I feel mentions what I think the show has always been about, so I'll post it again.

http://coelasquid.tumblr.com/post/148372166273/do-you-think-jasper-will-still-have-a-redemption

But that's the last thing I'm going to say on this subject for now.

edited 2nd Aug '16 10:44:43 PM by diyedas

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#37236: Aug 2nd 2016 at 10:48:25 PM

I think that the bizarre shape that briefly showed up while Amethyst was reforming is a reference to the last episode where she reformed, where she repeatedly tried to rush it and wound up deformed in some way each time.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#37237: Aug 2nd 2016 at 10:49:49 PM

[up][up]I really don't see what I'm supposed to get out of that post that supports it? She's literally saying she feels trolled by the show, because everyone gets included except Jasper.

And if this post shows anything, it's that they literally have no idea what direction the show is going to take her in.

edited 2nd Aug '16 10:50:26 PM by xanderiskander

diyedas Since: Feb, 2010
#37238: Aug 2nd 2016 at 10:49:52 PM

[up][up]I've actually seen a bunch of posts about that on Tumblr, so you're not the only one thinking about. It definitely does kinda seem that way.

[up]I was referring to the "finding the good in everyone and making everyone feel included". part. I don't really know how to explain that articulately.

edited 2nd Aug '16 10:54:40 PM by diyedas

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#37239: Aug 2nd 2016 at 10:52:11 PM

Again, the attitude that the Crewniverse are "trolling" people with Jasper is grating, as is the person y'all keep linking to who is frustrated about it.

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diyedas Since: Feb, 2010
#37240: Aug 2nd 2016 at 10:57:01 PM

[up]I don't even understand why people think they're trolling about anything or what they're exactly trolling about. That post seemed like the person was confused as to why we're not getting where they're going with the story even though we've had plenty of episodes to realized how certain things are mapped out by now and what SU is truly about, what they're trying to convey and teach us.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#37241: Aug 2nd 2016 at 10:57:10 PM

Just stop linking to random tumblr posts in general IMO. They're generally just reaching a lot, because they lack information.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#37242: Aug 2nd 2016 at 10:58:51 PM

I've actually seen a lot of people praising this episode for giving Jasper more character. Hell, this is my favorite episode with her in it.

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diyedas Since: Feb, 2010
#37243: Aug 2nd 2016 at 10:59:05 PM

[up][up]Well I guess that's supposed to be a post from someone who actually works on the story, so I don't think it's necessarily random.

edited 2nd Aug '16 10:59:16 PM by diyedas

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#37244: Aug 2nd 2016 at 10:59:18 PM

I agree with that. It's her best episode by far.

[up]Read the other post I linked. They pretty much admit they literally don't even know what direction the crew is going in.

And that post wasn't about them being confused about people getting the direction they're going for. It was about them feeling trolled by "Steven Universe", the show because Jasper isn't going in the same direction as all of the other characters. Which an antagonist wouldn't.

edited 2nd Aug '16 11:03:25 PM by xanderiskander

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#37245: Aug 2nd 2016 at 11:00:14 PM

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No, it was someone who drew comics of Steven Universe.

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diyedas Since: Feb, 2010
#37246: Aug 2nd 2016 at 11:01:35 PM

[up]Oh, okay. Well that being said, I kinda agree with them if they're aligned with my own thoughts. But I dunno, that post confused me honestly.

[up][up]Then they wouldn't know the meaning of being trolled. And even if it's going against where they thought Jasper would go that doesn't mean it can't go in their favor eventually. People are so quick to assume things aren't going the way they'd like and just aren't patient enough to wait and see what steps the creator/writers intends to take towards their goal.

edited 2nd Aug '16 11:04:41 PM by diyedas

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#37247: Aug 2nd 2016 at 11:03:19 PM

Even then, Ninjaxenomorph linked it first.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#37248: Aug 2nd 2016 at 11:05:12 PM

There are people who get hate for liking any bad character on various sites. Unless the character is an angel who did nothing wrong, you're fucked. The more bad things they've done, the more awful you are for liking them.

If you're getting hate from people for liking or enjoying villains (especially if you're not a member of a Misaimed Fandom), then what's most likely really happening is you're talking to people who don't really get what villains are.

Or it could just be the darker side of the fandom's noticeable problem with demonizing characters for one reason or the other.

We shouldn't avoid making complex and likeable villainous characters simply because some people will miss the point and get too extreme about hating them. Literature and art in general would be pretty crappy if people wrote villains for the point of view that you're not supposed to understand, like or in some cases even empathize with them.

edited 2nd Aug '16 11:13:48 PM by KnownUnknown

diyedas Since: Feb, 2010
#37249: Aug 2nd 2016 at 11:05:41 PM

[up][up]To be fair, I don't think I read the whole post in that link until I posted it myself.

edited 2nd Aug '16 11:05:49 PM by diyedas

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#37250: Aug 2nd 2016 at 11:24:41 PM

Okay, the woman who made those posts that were linked is a storyboard artist who works at CN, and has also worked on the official SU comics. As a result, she has more insight into the show than most people who post about it.

And she was saying in her posts that

A) She thinks it'd be very odd that SU (a show about diversity and love and finding the best in people) would throw the one big, masculine looking woman under the bus and declare her too evil for redemption.

B) If the crew do decide to do that, she'd add Jasper to the pile of characters she identifies with who get that treatment.


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