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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#37076: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:01:43 PM

[up][up][up] With me I count 3. Would say it's pretty split.

edited 2nd Aug '16 5:05:59 PM by xanderiskander

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#37077: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:04:35 PM

Reformation goes through all previous forms, remember?

Well, yeah, but the focus on her regeneration, and just how the scene looked... I dunno. It could just be her cycling through her "Reformed" forms, but I'm still definitely pretty concerned. Considering her mental state at the time. And she may have regenerated too quickly... maybe I'm overthinking this.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#37078: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:06:35 PM

To me it seems like she was trying to make herself bigger, but failed. Considering what Jasper had just said, plus Amethyst's light form having a big arm for a second, it looks like she was about to repeat what she did the last time she got poofed and fuck herself up by picking a form she can't maintain.

diyedas Since: Feb, 2010
#37079: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:06:42 PM

[up][up]She's done it before so I wouldn't put it past Amethyst reforming too quickly again.

edited 2nd Aug '16 5:06:51 PM by diyedas

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#37080: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:07:26 PM

I wouldn't say this episode makes it more likely Jasper will be redeemed. If anything it showed more evidence that Jasper would reject it outright. She's not going to easily give up on getting her revenge.

Peridot had no similar motivations, and she was largely ineffectual, while Jasper is an actual threat.

Plus she tried to shatter Amethyst, Steven's not going to easily forgive that. The best she could hope for is to be Reformed, but Rejected.

edited 2nd Aug '16 5:07:49 PM by xanderiskander

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#37081: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:07:33 PM

I think this episode might have made Amethyst my new favorite Gem. grin She's just barely beating Garnet.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Collen the cutest lizard from it is a mystery Since: Dec, 2010
the cutest lizard
#37082: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:08:29 PM

It looked like she was about to do what she did in "Reformed", but thought better of it halfway through.

Anyway, I'm glad my "Jasper is building a gem army" prediction ended up being right. I wonder if she'll find more gem monsters off-screen.

If she finds out that the Crystal Gems are keeping a billion corrupted gems in the Temple, they're going to be screwed.

Gave them our reactions, our explosions, all that was ours For graphs of passion and charts of stars...
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#37083: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:08:56 PM

That's how strong Amethyst is.

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Cailleach Studious Girl from Purgatory Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
Studious Girl
#37084: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:09:05 PM

@Amethyst Regeneration Maybe she was just cycling though all those freaky forms from "Reformed." Hopefully.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#37085: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:09:13 PM

I mean, Peridot tried to shatter Pearl, Ruby, and Sapphire. Nearly succeeded too. I don't think Jasper will jump at the chance to join them anytime soon (at least not without some rapid amounts of character development), but I don't think she's crossed a line into "iredeemable" territory yet.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#37086: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:09:50 PM

I really hope the Diamonds don't get redeemed.

After what they've done to the corrupted gems and the Cluster they don't deserve it.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#37087: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:10:15 PM

[up][up] Peridot did that under Jasper's orders.

edited 2nd Aug '16 5:10:28 PM by xanderiskander

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#37088: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:11:18 PM

When she dropped them into a hole that was closing in on them in Friendship? Jasper was in the ocean with Lapis. She couldn't have given any orders.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#37089: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:11:26 PM

Not in Friend Ship she didn't.

[nja]

Plus she tried to shatter Amethyst, Steven's not going to easily forgive that.

Stevonnie literally asked her to say sorry.

edited 2nd Aug '16 5:12:20 PM by unnoun

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#37090: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:11:51 PM

She did that to stop them from chasing her, she was trying to kill all of them.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#37091: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:13:11 PM

Yes. Peridot did try to kill all of them. Steven tends to be rather forgiving towards trying to kill him.

Trying to use him I can see him being more upset about.

So far that's just been Kevin.

edited 2nd Aug '16 5:13:59 PM by unnoun

galaxydreams RULER Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
RULER
#37092: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:14:11 PM

I was not ready for that episode, my feelings were deeply hurt.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#37093: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:19:33 PM

When she dropped them into a hole that was closing in on them in Friendship? Jasper was in the ocean with Lapis. She couldn't have given any orders.
I was talking about The Return. Every time she attacked them after that was clearly self defense, because they were trying to capture her. Peridot didn't know what they would have done with her. She thought Steven unbubbled her to shatter her for example.

Every time Jasper has fought with them she's been the one to instigate it.

edited 2nd Aug '16 5:21:11 PM by xanderiskander

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#37094: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:20:59 PM

No, she thought he unbubbled her to harvest her.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#37095: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:21:37 PM

Jasper and the Diamonds are different from Lapis and Peridot in both they mean to cause harm and understand exactly what that means.

Lapis' actions were drastic but she never meant to hurt anyone on Earth when she took the ocean, and Peridot changed when she got to know life on Earth. Her apathy came from ignorance, not true malice.

By all indications, Jasper and Yellow Diamond know what humans are, and what life on Earth as a whole is, and they hate it.

edited 2nd Aug '16 5:23:17 PM by LSBK

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#37096: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:21:41 PM

My point is that Jasper isn't the only person who has attempted to shatter a crystal gem, and if that's not crossing the line for Peridot, it shouldn't be counted as crossing the line for Jasper.

Edit: If you think Malachite was crossing the line towards being iredeemable, fine. If you think using corrupted gems as weapons is crossing that line, fine. But you can't say that having racist views or attempting to shatter people are crossing that line, because Peridot has done the exact same things. I just dislike people pulling double standards.

edited 2nd Aug '16 5:25:09 PM by smokeycut

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#37097: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:28:02 PM

What's crossing the line is that Jasper intended to kill them for the sake of killing them. Peridot's only ever attempted it to protect herself, or because Jasper made her.

edited 2nd Aug '16 5:29:44 PM by xanderiskander

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#37098: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:29:32 PM

I'm fairly certain shouting "DIE DIE DIE DIE" while firing lasers counts as malicious intent.

Unrelated: This actually got me to audibly laugh.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#37099: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:29:51 PM

Nice fight, fused mates...ya did it for reals.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#37100: Aug 2nd 2016 at 5:32:15 PM

@LSBK: About three hours and ten pages after "Alone at Sea" aired, we came to an agreement to drop the topic of Jasper having a Heel–Face Turn because we kept talking in circles and filling up pages with discussions many weren't interested in reading. I'll give you a break because you weren't posting then, but most of the other people doing it again don't have the same excuse.

To me it seems like she was trying to make herself bigger, but failed.
I think it's more likely she quit halfway when she remembered it wouldn't work, because she still thought Steven and Connie needed her help.

I'm fairly certain shouting "DIE DIE DIE DIE" while firing lasers
Well I'm sure that would have sounded "Clearing the area." if they were on the same team.

edited 2nd Aug '16 5:33:12 PM by thatother1dude


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