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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#36376: Jul 28th 2016 at 7:55:57 PM

I think people are looking at it the wrong way. Jasper wouldn't join the gems acting like she has so far. Peridot didn't join the gems acting like she did at first. Peridot grew, and learned to look around and love the Earth and everything on it. When Jasper joins the gems, it'll be after she realizes homeworld, and her previous behavior, was awful.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#36377: Jul 28th 2016 at 7:56:35 PM

In this specific moment...Crystal Gems are the strongest side. She'd join them to not get poofed probably.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#36378: Jul 28th 2016 at 7:58:24 PM

Her newfound obsession with using fusion to become strong would probably make Homeworld disgusted and disdainful of her, given her own initial reaction to Garnet.

I like the idea of Jasper as a villain who is both pitiable and very dangerous. She's lost everything, losing her mind, not welcome among her people - who will probably never look at her as the proud warrior she was, and doesn't care because all she wants now is to feel the strength she felt while stuck as Malachite, too obsessed and delusional to realize she'll never be able to accomplish what she wants the way she wants to do it, nor that what she wants isn't the aim of what she's trying to do in the first place. So she can only either have a revelation and change her mentality completely or fall further.

Her speech to Lapis reminded me of a person taking a dangerous drug, but who can never become high enough to be satisfied, and is now desperate to try and get that fix.

edited 28th Jul '16 8:05:45 PM by KnownUnknown

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#36379: Jul 28th 2016 at 8:04:02 PM

That makes it more creepy, not less.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#36381: Jul 28th 2016 at 8:07:23 PM

Le Garcon shared a comic with me recently that I think will be similar to Jasper's future characterization, post redemption. It was mostly about her feeling like she isn't a good enough warrior, and isn't good enough to do anything right.

Considering how much she feels that she needs to be Malachite to be strong, I think it'll be accurate.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#36382: Jul 28th 2016 at 8:09:49 PM
xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#36383: Jul 28th 2016 at 8:09:59 PM

like the idea of Jasper as a villain who is both pitiable and very dangerous. She's lost everything, losing her mind, not welcome among her people - who will probably never look at her as the proud warrior she was, and doesn't care because all she wants now is to feel the strength she felt while stuck as Malachite, too obsessed and delusional to realize she'll never be able to accomplish what she wants the way she wants to do it, nor that what she wants isn't the aim of what she's trying to do in the first place. So she can only either have a revelation and change her mentality completely or fall further.

I much like this better than her being redeemed. Seems like a pretty fitting type of villain for this show.

They said she would be complex, not that she would join the main cast. And unlike Peridot, nobody seems to like her.

edited 28th Jul '16 8:10:56 PM by xanderiskander

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#36385: Jul 28th 2016 at 8:13:29 PM

Here it is.

I really like it.

[nja]

edited 28th Jul '16 8:13:59 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#36386: Jul 28th 2016 at 8:13:58 PM

To be fair, the reason Jasper isn't well liked is simply because unlike every other antagonist (every other character, really) except YD she has little to no appearances yet that flesh her out beyond that first antagonistic role she's had. She has barely any appearances at all, even though unlike YD she's been around for a while.

This is the first, and is essentially her Marble Madness - the episode where she's still introduced like the same terrifying brute we saw at first, but we start to see more aspects of her personality that can become sympathetic (or even likeable, in time) in the future.

I could see them fleshing her out with a redemption becoming a part of the Gems and being successful - the Crewniverse are very good at that - but I think it's more likely that they'll end up fleshing her out as an Anti-Villain with goals that don't exactly line up with the Big Bad's any more.

edited 28th Jul '16 8:17:57 PM by KnownUnknown

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#36387: Jul 28th 2016 at 8:17:37 PM

Yeah, but I like seeing tragic villains, that fall further and further. I would love to see this show's take on that.

It'd be something the show hasn't done before too.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#36388: Jul 28th 2016 at 8:17:45 PM

I just want to add that I was glad Jasper reintroduced herself fist-first, but disappointed that it was coming out of water instead of the ground or a wall.

edited 28th Jul '16 8:17:53 PM by thatother1dude

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#36389: Jul 28th 2016 at 8:19:22 PM

Known Unknown just summed up my feelings on Jasper pretty well.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#36390: Jul 28th 2016 at 8:33:31 PM

So I just remembered that Jasper called herself "a brute". I'm genuinely slightly impressed that she has that level of self-awareness.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#36391: Jul 28th 2016 at 8:36:27 PM

Understanding one's role is the first step towards the mental decline. Denial is the second step and she went through both in the same episode.

Seeing her act noticeably less agressive was pretty weird, it's gonna be even weirder if she actually does get redemption...hopefully not though.

edited 28th Jul '16 8:37:32 PM by randomness4

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ClownToy Since: Aug, 2015
#36392: Jul 28th 2016 at 8:37:46 PM

Ok, the episode actually actually surprised me.

Thought to be fair, I'm far more worried about a friend of mine, who is a real fan of Jasper.

I like both Lapis and Jasper but I can live with what I saw.
My friend however........

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#36393: Jul 28th 2016 at 8:40:30 PM

She acted less aggressive towards Lapis I guess. Not at all towards Steven.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#36394: Jul 28th 2016 at 8:42:20 PM

Her personality went through a fairly radical shift from her first appearance. Could you see Jasper circa Jailbreak on her knees, begging someone to fuse with her so she could be strong?

ClownToy Since: Aug, 2015
#36395: Jul 28th 2016 at 8:44:11 PM

Well, she was trying to be persuasive, and ultimately fails.

I was thinking less on a abussive relationship and more about drug abuse.
Clearly, Lapis and Jasper's fusing is unhealthy.





But yeah everybody loves Garnet despite the fact that Ruby and Sapphire thenselves has shown codependency.
I love most of the characters including the afforement gems, but to be fair fusion for me doesn't seems vey healthy in my opinion.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#36396: Jul 28th 2016 at 8:44:47 PM

Ruby and Sapphire are not co-dependent, damn it!

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#36397: Jul 28th 2016 at 8:45:24 PM

[up]x4 She only really cares about Lapis because she basically sees her as another source of power.

edited 28th Jul '16 8:45:49 PM by dmysta3000

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ClownToy Since: Aug, 2015
#36398: Jul 28th 2016 at 8:47:51 PM

Well, maybe not, or who knows.

It's just that in barn mates they were focused in being the lovebirds they are and not in, well, you know, winning the game that was supossed (even thought it wasn't, luckily for Peridot) very important to save the life of Peridot.

Besides, I'm pretty individualistic and even my gemsona doesn't care about fusion at all (not hate, not like, he really doesn't mind fusion at all), so perhaps my pointview have to do with that opinion of mine.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#36399: Jul 28th 2016 at 8:48:16 PM

Her personality went through a fairly radical shift from her first appearance. Could you see Jasper circa Jailbreak on her knees, begging someone to fuse with her so she could be strong?
Not from Jail Break. But from Chille Tid? Yeah kinda? Begging to take you back is a pretty routine trope that happens with bad relationships, and the subtext was pretty strong since then.

I pretty much expected everything that happened in this episode. Aside from Lapis literally sinking the ship at the end.

edited 28th Jul '16 8:52:44 PM by xanderiskander

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#36400: Jul 28th 2016 at 8:48:54 PM

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Steven: "Okay, guys. For this plan to work, you need to act like you've never met. If the Rubies find out Peridot is here, she could die."

-Ruby and Sapphire begin immediately making out-

edited 28th Jul '16 8:49:14 PM by SonOfSharknado

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