TVTropes Now available in the app store!
Open

Follow TV Tropes

Following

Steven Universe

Go To

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#36326: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:36:03 PM

So you guys like Jasper ironically, pretty much. Not really anything about her personality.

I mean, I like plenty of antagonists because I like to dislike them. But I think liking a character because their character-arc is lacking something, especially information about the character, puts you on an almost certain road to disappointment. Because you don't know enough to even make a proper guess, about what the writers will do.

edited 28th Jul '16 5:37:49 PM by xanderiskander

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#36327: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:36:49 PM

[up][up]Well it's not even that, she's only out for Lapizuli...though I'm not even sure how she expects to find her every time. This was just a lucky break.

edited 28th Jul '16 5:37:27 PM by randomness4

Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.
A_dude Nominal guy Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
Nominal guy
#36328: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:37:02 PM

@Blue Blaze 64, @ xanderiskander: So you'd prefer to not see her punched into the stratosphere? Because in all likelihood, she was about to permanently poof Steven for "ruining" her "relationship" with Lapis.

Also, I was reading reactions to the episode on the AV Club, and this caught my eye:

Kingof Wild Things: I feel like I'm in an increasingly small minority thinking the abusive relationship stuff was clunky. Just because it features a bad relationship doesn't make it deep.

Adzl33t: I mean like Tvtropes would say this episode would be kinda a space whale aesop, I mean sure there's an allegory of abusive relationship, but not exactly

Would we consider that a Space Whale Aesop?

edited 28th Jul '16 5:37:55 PM by A_dude

Previously known as "71TheRoman". Wishes his password wouldn't forget who he is...
xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#36329: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:40:08 PM

No, I just think her character arc could be abridged. I don't think they needed to spend so much time on set up just to have her rant, and get punched off the boat in the last 3 minutes. They need to stop beating around the bush, and get to the point already.

Basically I think Jasper's plot has bad pacing.

edited 28th Jul '16 5:41:41 PM by xanderiskander

FawfulCrump Since: Dec, 2010
#36330: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:41:01 PM

Didn't seem very Space Whale to me. The only part that really made it allegorical was that they substituted the word "fusion" for "relationship".

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#36331: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:41:05 PM

I do like the fact that Jasper is all gruff and abrasive. I just want to see her become a good person who is still sometimes gruff and abrasive. You don't need to completely replace your entire personality to become a better person.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#36332: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:48:46 PM

It pretty much had all of the cliche lines of a toxic relationship. It's not even an allegory. It's literally word-for-word.

edited 28th Jul '16 9:01:40 PM by xanderiskander

BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Watcher on the Tower
#36333: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:53:24 PM

That's pretty much my pet peeve with Jasper too. When they Put her on a bus so often it makes it look like they don't know what do with her. Thankfully maybe something is in the pipeline?

I'll be honest, I think they don't feature villainous characters enough. Peridot was the closest to being a full character before her Heel–Face Turn, but everyone else only has a few minutes of screen time at best.

I feel like the showrunners know they do Slice of Life best, so they try their best to get the major conflict out of the way as fast as possible. Again, it's the only thing I think is wrong with the show: They seem to know how to make every character, their backstory, their flaws, their motivation(s), and their redeeming qualities, but don't quite know what to do with them in terms of an overall plot.

edited 28th Jul '16 6:02:17 PM by BlueBlaze64

"The cruelest thing you can do to an artist is tell them their work is flawless when it isn't." -Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
A_dude Nominal guy Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
Nominal guy
#36334: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:55:44 PM

No, I just think her character arc could be abridged. I don't think they needed to spend so much time on set up just to have her rant, and get punched off the boat in the last 3 minutes. They need to stop beating around the bush, and get to the point already.

I will admit, it has the same erratic sense of focus the resolution of Malachite did. There are still ten episode left in the season, though. No reason she can't resume her walk on the ocean floor and have some plot action in the climax.

[up] Or, yeah. That's a better explanation than what I was doing. smile [nja]

edited 28th Jul '16 5:57:00 PM by A_dude

Previously known as "71TheRoman". Wishes his password wouldn't forget who he is...
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#36335: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:59:48 PM

[up][up]They don't mix Slice of Life and Plot very well, a consistent problem to be sure.

Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#36336: Jul 28th 2016 at 6:01:35 PM

I remember someone complained that Malachite's formation didn't accomplish anything story-wise but writing Jasper and Lapis out of the show for a while. I hope they don't feel that way now.

It's shades of grey all around.
More like gray and black.

Lapis did good and bad things. I maintain Lapis forming Malachite and keeping them together was a pragmatic decision, even if it wasn't the smartest idea—Jasper was almost certainly going to kill Lapis if she refused or let them break apart without them both being unconscious. What was wrong was Lapis deliberately making Jasper suffer for the sake of revenge, but she at least admits that and considers it a bad thing.

Not everything Jasper did was bad, but none of it was good, just neutral at best. She was victimized, but that hasn't given her any empathy for others. Despite claiming to have changed, you don't hear Jasper apologizing to Lapis for treating her like crap and practically forcing her to fuse—really she just seems to have changed her mind about Lapis being weak.

Even if both sides have faults, one can definitely have the moral high ground.

It's not even an allegory. It's literally word-for-word.
As the writers have said, fusion doesn't have to be based on romantic love. Their relationship is not an allegory for a terrible romantic relationship, it just is a terrible non-romantic relationship.

Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#36338: Jul 28th 2016 at 6:03:35 PM

Abusive Lesbian Space Rocks.

sure why not

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#36339: Jul 28th 2016 at 6:05:21 PM

The thing with liking Jasper out of spite is I've seen easily 1 in 10 people that don't try to paint Jasper with a white brush. It could be that I'm not looking in the right places, but the vast majority of cases I've seen her mentioned usually takes her side.

If anything, it's developed my own backlash.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#36340: Jul 28th 2016 at 6:06:53 PM

Yeah, I've yet to see anyone claim Jasper is a saint. It's always Lapis who gets that treatment.

In other news, based on her Twitter activity, it looks like Lapis told Peridot what happened.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#36341: Jul 28th 2016 at 6:07:01 PM

I've been thinking about going through the character pages to make the spoiler marking more consistent—specifically, I would only leave markings for events from the current season, not 1 or 2.

[up][up]Jasper is terrifying—that's enough for me to like her as a character. Any depth of character I basically consider a bonus.

edited 28th Jul '16 6:12:31 PM by thatother1dude

Mr.Badguy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
#36342: Jul 28th 2016 at 6:07:39 PM

Loving messed up queer romances is kind of a thing.

Shit's weird, yo. I don't for the life of me get it since it comes off as so fetishized.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#36344: Jul 28th 2016 at 6:12:13 PM

I'm neutral towards this "Jasper" character...she's completely neutral.

Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.
xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#36345: Jul 28th 2016 at 6:13:30 PM

I remember someone complained that Malachite's formation didn't accomplish anything story-wise but writing Jasper and Lapis out of the show for a while. I hope they don't feel that way now.
That was me I'm pretty sure. And I actually am pretty okay with what they've accomplished with it. I take it back, they did "get to the point" on that front.

I don't think this was what they were talking about when they were talking about there being more to her we haven't seen though. It may sound like I'm annoyed, but I actually was pretty entertained by the episode more than not. And I prefer this direction they took with them, rather than just making them suddenly happy together out of nowhere.

edited 28th Jul '16 6:16:22 PM by xanderiskander

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#36346: Jul 28th 2016 at 6:17:35 PM

rather than just making them suddenly happy together out of nowhere.
Well I don't that was ever a possibility, I just sort of figured both would move on without Malachite affecting their character very much.

edited 28th Jul '16 6:17:57 PM by thatother1dude

diyedas Since: Feb, 2010
#36347: Jul 28th 2016 at 6:18:11 PM

I'm pretty neutral towards Jasper myself but I love her design, especially her hair. And her voice.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#36348: Jul 28th 2016 at 6:20:55 PM

[up][up] Well, having them move on, without them both acknowledging Malachite, wouldn't have worked for me all that well either.

edited 28th Jul '16 6:21:27 PM by xanderiskander

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#36349: Jul 28th 2016 at 6:21:20 PM

Her voice is seriously great. Kimberly Brooks is fantastic.

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
diyedas Since: Feb, 2010
#36350: Jul 28th 2016 at 6:23:19 PM

[up]She is one awesome lady, really pretty too. I'm surprised by how different she sounds as Allura on Voltron.


Total posts: 63,336
Top