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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#36301: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:51:51 PM

[up][up][up]No he doesn't, he actually showed concern for Jaspee when she fell down that crack...he just hates Kevin. Dark Side hatred.

He's more scared of her than anything.

edited 28th Jul '16 4:52:39 PM by randomness4

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#36302: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:52:15 PM

I noticed they changed the end credits song again, or more accurately, they used a different part of "Love Like You." People keep theorizing who is singing the song to who, and while I used to think it was probably Rose singing to Greg, the line saying something like "you're good and I'm nothing like you" didn't click. It could be Pearl singing to Rose, but after this episode I actually think Lapis singing to Steven is a better fit.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#36303: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:54:30 PM

At Comic Con, Rebecca Sugar revealed that Love Like You is from any given gem towards humanity. Gem culture has love as a taboo, while it's a huge part of humanity.

And yeah, Jasper getting redeemed will either rely on herself, or maybe help from Peridot (since she's been redeemed herself, and knows Jasper decently).

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#36304: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:56:31 PM

She dislikes "Jasper" too...actually dislikes, so that's most likely a no-go.

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dmysta3000 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#36305: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:56:42 PM

And speaking of "Love Like You", the credits got updated again

GUNDAMU GUNDAMU
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#36306: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:58:46 PM

Interestingly I guess this episode goes a way towards breaking stereotypes about visible abusers too. Edward may genuinely love Bella with all his heart and want her to be happy, instead of just lying to her in his own self-interest, and Jasper truly enjoys being fused and having Lapis's company now. Doesn't mean the relationships aren't still toxic as hell.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#36307: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:58:47 PM

The credits song is getting close to the end now. Maybe we'll get a new end credits tune at some point.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#36308: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:08:27 PM

I think Jasper has Stockholm's Syndrome or something!
More like she's so power-worshiping that she'll suffer any pain to get stronger.

(P.S. I initially misspelled that hotlink as "MightMakesRakes". Just felt like sharing that.)

edited 28th Jul '16 5:08:32 PM by thatother1dude

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#36309: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:10:47 PM

She dislikes "Jasper" too...actually dislikes, so that's most likely a no-go.
Rebecca does? What was said exactly?

diyedas Since: Feb, 2010
#36310: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:12:03 PM

[up]I think they were referring to Peridot, not Rebecca.

edited 28th Jul '16 5:12:11 PM by diyedas

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#36311: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:13:40 PM

That post more or less got my own thoughts across. Lapis isn't a saint, but just because she does have flaws doesn't mean she's defined by them.

A lot of folks seem to use the "but Lapis isn't innocent!" reasoning as a way to brush aside Jasper's own faults in this.

It's abuse on both sides, but Jasper was the one to instigate it in the beginning and end.

It's not that she can't be redeemed, but I'm utterly sick of Jasper fans giving her the leather pants treatment.

As it stands, she's consistently demonstrated her negative traits pride, invading people's space and right to privacy and respect, blaming others for her mistakes, treating Lapis as a means to power, etc.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#36312: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:17:52 PM

It honestly confuses me how Jasper even has fans. I can't see any in-story reason to like her. The only reasons I can think of are meta ones, like her lacking screen time, and hoping they do something good with her.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#36313: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:17:54 PM

Pride is a negative trait? That's terrible.

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lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#36314: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:19:23 PM

In this case Pride as in hubris.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#36315: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:19:57 PM

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My only issue with that post (I assume you mean this one) was the weird segway they went into blaming fatphobia for people not liking Jasper (multiple episodes of being a dick) or Bismuth (the first thing we see is her poofing an innocent Lapis), or theorizing that Rose Quartz might be less of a paragon of virtue than the show makes her seem.

The evil Amethyst theories are pretty weird I'll admit, but that has more to do with her being a Quartz/Kindergarten child and not one of the original rebels. Pearl's build didn't protect her from all sorts of hate and accusations of being a Bitch in Sheep's Clothing either.

edited 28th Jul '16 5:20:20 PM by AlleyOop

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#36316: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:20:08 PM

Well lots of people find Jasper to be hot...

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#36317: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:20:26 PM

It's a neutral trait, but used negatively here. Pride of oneself put before any empathy of others.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#36318: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:21:11 PM

There's that too, but you can find someone attractive while still disliking them as a person/character, and vice versa.

BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Watcher on the Tower
#36319: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:23:47 PM

Man, seeing explorations of the dark side of relationships always makes me...uncomfortable. But I think this episode handled the "abusive ex begs for them back" story very well, especially since it didn't handle it so black-and-white.

I still wish they didn't just knock Jasper back to "she'll be back when she can contribute to the story again" status after two minutes of screen time.

"The cruelest thing you can do to an artist is tell them their work is flawless when it isn't." -Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#36320: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:26:08 PM

Speaking as someone who's favorite character is Jasper, it's not at all because I think she's a good person. It's due to a combination of things.

Jasper has had pretty much zero character development. We've seen her act brutish, mean, etc. with zero positive traits. Compare to Peridot, who was cold, merciless, and very obviously evil. We now know Peridot is nothing like that, so it's pretty easy to assume we'll see a lot more to Jasper in time. I want to see what her other facets are.

Second reason I like Jasper: Her design. She's big, she's buff, her voice is great, etc. I just really like how she looks.

Third reason: Kind of related to the first, but Jasper has so much potential. The crew has shown that they consider her part of the SU family, and I want to see why.

Fourth reason: Spite. A metric fuck ton of spite. Seeing post after post on tumblr about how nobody is allowed to like Jasper led to me loving her.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#36321: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:27:43 PM

[up][up] That's pretty much my pet peeve with Jasper too. When they Put her on a bus so often it makes it look like they don't know what do with her. Thankfully maybe something is in the pipeline?

edited 28th Jul '16 5:28:01 PM by xanderiskander

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#36322: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:30:13 PM

Current "Jasper" would only continuously combat the CG...and they may not want another P-dot, except in reverse.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#36323: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:30:41 PM

I'm just sad that Jasper in Undertale has been jossed

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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#36324: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:32:05 PM

Spite. A metric fuck ton of spite. Seeing post after post on tumblr about how nobody is allowed to like Jasper led to me loving her.

That's the best reason for liking someone. tongue (Also, one of my main reasons for liking her, TBH. It just annoys me that everyone was clamoring for a Peridot redemption arc even when she was showing no good traits whatsoever just because she seemed cute, but Jasper doesn't get that same benefit of the doubt, and she had done just as many bad things as Peridot. -_-)

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
Ninjaxenomorph The best and the worst. from Texas, Texas, Texas Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
The best and the worst.
#36325: Jul 28th 2016 at 5:34:10 PM

You don't catch homeworld gem, homeworld gem catches you!

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