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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#36276: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:18:04 PM

Damn, that abusive relationship subtext between Lapis and Jasper... holy shit. One thing's for sure, Malachite was definitely not healthy for either of them. It scarred both of them in different ways, and I think Jasper has Stockholm's Syndrome or something!

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#36277: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:18:25 PM

I don't think she's ever not going to be creepy with those teeth and that smile...just lay it on thicker, writers.

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DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#36278: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:18:42 PM

It doesn't even really qualify as subtext.

Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#36279: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:19:04 PM

Personally, while it was kinda rushed, I liked it.

I think it just kind of feels like the return of Jasper should be the entire focus of an episode, and not her showing up in the last third. But I'm satisfied with what we got, and I assume Jasper will be back to wreck shit in the future.

A_dude Nominal guy Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
Nominal guy
#36280: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:19:15 PM

Someone on Reddit jokingly said that this confirms Lapis and Jasper for being fusion sluts.

Yeah, no. Joking about something which should never be joked about is the quickest way to getting blocked from my sight.

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#36281: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:19:51 PM

Yeah, it wasn't a funny joke.

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#36282: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:20:18 PM

My thoughts on it is they both liked being strong. Jasper obviously loved being able to fly, and probably loved being a hulking monstrosity able to take on a four gem fusion on equal footing. Lapis said she enjoyed taking out her frustrations on Jasper, probably because for once she had some measure of control over something in her life.

I still don't like when people say they were equally to blame though when Jasper forced her to fuse to begin with (I don't think she would have accepted a no for an answer back then either). Fusion is not a toy, Jasper.

Oissu!
A_dude Nominal guy Since: Aug, 2015 Relationship Status: Waiting for you *wink*
Nominal guy
#36283: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:20:51 PM

I think Jasper has Stockholm's Syndrome or something!

Jasper confirmed for masochist?

Also, that conversation they had reeked hard of some blowhard boyfriend trying to convince his ex that he's changed his outlook, with no evidence to the contrary.

edited 28th Jul '16 4:22:47 PM by A_dude

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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#36284: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:21:20 PM

Lapis still took advantage of it to hurt her, which is pretty bad. It's shades of grey all around.

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dmysta3000 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#36286: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:26:01 PM

So I know I messed up last time with the whole schedule thing but CN actually updated the schedule for next week and a bit of the following week's (just click where it says "New Episodes!") Once again I'll spoiler the titles just in case.

Week 3:

  • Monday - Gem Hunt
  • Tuesday - Crack the Whip
  • Wednesday - Steven Vs Amethyst
  • Thursday - Bismuth (it appears that this will be two-parter)
  • Nothing scheduled for Friday (for now)

Week 4:

  • Monday - Beta/Earthlings (another two-parter)
  • Nothing else for now...

edited 28th Jul '16 4:27:43 PM by dmysta3000

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#36287: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:27:44 PM

So this is a thing.

The stuff about Lapis's origins and Rebecca Sugar's history with abuse is worth noting.

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#36288: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:27:48 PM

[up][up]

Post that in the Spoiler thread just in case.

edited 28th Jul '16 4:27:58 PM by AdricDePsycho

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#36289: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:29:35 PM

Lapis did do wrong. However, she recognizes she did wrong and feels bad about it. Jasper calls Lapis a monster, tries to isolate her, and overall indulges in some very scummy behaviour for the sake of power. And then tries to kill Steven. They're both feeling Stockholm Syndrome to some degree but I find it a lot harder to care about Jasper's mental state when she's the cause of all her own problems right now.

Oissu!
xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#36290: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:29:49 PM

One thing's for sure, Malachite was definitely not healthy for either of them. It scarred both of them in different ways, and I think Jasper has Stockholm's Syndrome or something!

They're codependent!

Except Lapis decided not to be.

edited 28th Jul '16 4:31:28 PM by xanderiskander

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#36291: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:34:10 PM

I'm glad they didn't turn Lapis into a saintly martyr or anything. It helps dispel the notion of "perfect" victims, before and after their abuse. Plus it's important to acknowledge that a lot of abused people go on to become abusers themselves because of their experiences. Real life isn't that black-and-white.

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#36292: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:34:28 PM

Man, I'm just hoping we get to see the start of a Jasper redemption before the end of the season.

dmysta3000 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#36293: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:36:46 PM

[up]I really dont see Jasper getting redeemed so easily.

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diyedas Since: Feb, 2010
#36294: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:36:56 PM

I really like how well rounded they've made Lapis, she's not some innocent, fragile Angel. She has character, she has problems and faults and no one is afraid to show that. It has made me like Lapis even more than in her first appearance.

edited 28th Jul '16 4:37:04 PM by diyedas

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#36295: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:42:17 PM

Yeah I want Jasper to ultimately be redeemed because it's the more interesting (though also more intellectually demanding to produce) route, but it's going to be a while before that can happen.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#36296: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:43:29 PM

The one way I can see Jasper getting redeemed right now is if she somehow gets hurt or something, and Steven heals / saves her. teaching her that strength isn't everything, and that small things can help someone bigger / stronger than them. Then Steven gets in trouble and she saves him back for a Makes Us Even moment.

Basically a moral in the vein of The Lion and The Mouse.

edited 28th Jul '16 4:45:26 PM by xanderiskander

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#36297: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:45:48 PM

[up][up]It's also the obvious route too.

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smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#36298: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:46:49 PM

I know, it's just frustrating having your favorite character show up for brief bits of time, only to be launched into the distance for another 20 episodes. I'm just waiting for the day that she actually gets her own episode.

[up][up] I highly doubt her redemption will involve kindness from Steven now. The kid hates her as much as he hates Kevin.

edited 28th Jul '16 4:47:43 PM by smokeycut

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#36299: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:48:14 PM

[up][up][up] I can definitely see that happening. I think she'd definitely need to be hurt or weakened in some way. I mean, the only reason Peri was able to be redeemed was because she was basically defanged due to the loss of her limb enhancers. As long as Jasper is a threat, she can't really be redeemed, so I'd imagine her being hurt and then saved by Steven would be the best way to go about starting her redemption.

edited 28th Jul '16 4:48:40 PM by DeathsApprentice

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dmysta3000 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#36300: Jul 28th 2016 at 4:49:10 PM

[up][up]I admit it was kinda hilariously awesome to see Jasper get punched into the distance. [lol]

Yeah, the only way I see her getting redeemed is on her own. I'm actually hoping that we'll get a 'Zuko Alone'-styled episode with her.

edited 28th Jul '16 4:51:22 PM by dmysta3000

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