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galaxydreams RULER Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#35701: Jul 24th 2016 at 8:49:40 PM

Maybe Lars won't be such a good representation for trans people, at least for now but the theory is not entirely stupid. Laramie is a unisex name as well as the name of a project focused on the LGBT+ community so there's that. Everybody is entitled to their own theories. And people can be jerks no matter how they identified, he's not the worst person in the planet either.

edited 24th Jul '16 8:55:16 PM by galaxydreams

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#35702: Jul 24th 2016 at 8:54:28 PM

Everybody's entitled to their own.

Theories are not protected from criticism.

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galaxydreams RULER Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#35704: Jul 24th 2016 at 8:56:53 PM

[up][up]Of course, it's just a matter of being civil about it.

edited 24th Jul '16 8:57:33 PM by galaxydreams

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#35705: Jul 24th 2016 at 8:56:54 PM

Yeah, the 'trans Lars' theory seems a bit like stretching to me. All the 'evidence' can just be interpreted as Lars being extremely insecure about almost everything in his life because he's an insecure teenager.

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#35706: Jul 24th 2016 at 8:57:33 PM

[up][up]This, basically.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#35707: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:01:44 PM

Looks like Midna. I think that comparison has been made in this thread before, though.

thebandragoness Since: Feb, 2016
#35708: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:02:40 PM

You said you see a trans analogue in Garnet, and this person sees the same thing with Lars.

No, I'm saying Garnet is similar to a transgender person, whereas this person is saying Lars literally is a transgender person.

Trans people can be nice, and we can be dicks. Same goes for everyone else.

Yes, in real life some trans people are nice and some are assholes, just like everybody else. But we're not talking about real life, we're talking about a fictional cartoon where the characters were all invented by writers and are all meant to serve some sort of function in the overall narrative.

The show has made it abundantly clear that Lars is a rude, mean-spirited, and unhappy person, and the suggestion that he might be trans comes with the Unfortunate Implications that being trans is an "explanation/justification" for his behavior (even if that wasn't what was intended). And it's especially bad because if this theory was true, Lars would be the only transgender character on the show so far. If this show was a more serious drama full of Gayngst and whatnot, it probably wouldn't be as big a deal to me, but if this is a show where all the gay characters get to be happy and well-adjusted while the trans character is a misanthropic jerk, that just doesn't sit well with me.

I'm not trying to bully anyone into silence or insult whoever came up with this theory. I'm only trying to articulate why the theory upsets me.

(P.S. I guess you could use Pearl as an example of a gay character who's not entirely "happy and well-adjusted," but that's more because of a standard love triangle with Rose and Greg plus angst at Rose's death. The genders of the people in the love triangle doesn't have much to do with it, so it's not like Pearl is unhappy because she's a lesbian.)

edited 24th Jul '16 9:04:17 PM by thebandragoness

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#35709: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:04:22 PM

[up][up]That star might represent the Tri-force, may not be so coincidental next to that color scheme.

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galaxydreams RULER Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#35710: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:09:42 PM

it probably wouldn't be as big a deal to me, but if this is a show where all the gay characters get to be happy and well-adjusted while the trans character is a misanthropic jerk, that just doesn't sit well with me.

Yeah I can see how this can be problematic tbh, there's a lot of character improvement and development that needs to be done regarding to Lars. We can put Pearl as being kind of unhappy but after Mr. Greg I think she wont be because she got a closure.

edited 24th Jul '16 9:10:57 PM by galaxydreams

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#35711: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:12:00 PM

" the fact that Lars's status as an angry socially awkward wreck is being used as the main "evidence" that he's trans is what pisses me off more than anything."

I think is more try to explain Lars asshole behivor than anything else, but so far it seen Lars being jerk is....him being lars, his parent are good and they seen soportive...I dont know, it will look more as using transgender as excuse for jerkassery, also it would make Steven meeding in his mind WAAAAY worst(which is pretty bad right now)

Also the "trans lars" theory have the same issue with "Elsa is bi/ace" and that it use the LACK of something as proof of something else

" I guess you could use Pearl as an example of a gay character who's not entirely "happy and well-adjusted,""

Pearl is more about co-depency as anything else, even in her song is the same issue about "I can do anything thanks to you" and how she feel stuck without her, in short Pearl main flaw is the idea of someone else having power over her.

"That star might represent the Tri-force, may not be so coincidental next to that color scheme."

And the show is full of zelda reference, not surprise here

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#35712: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:18:45 PM

I've seen some people arguing that Lars' parents aren't 100% great based on some stuff but especially the 'oh our son is murdering a child, we're disappointed in you son' thing.

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thebandragoness Since: Feb, 2016
#35713: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:21:14 PM

Also the "trans lars" theory have the same issue with "Elsa is bi/ace" and that it use the LACK of something as proof of something else

There's not any proof for the "Elsa is straight" theory, either...

edited 24th Jul '16 9:25:55 PM by thebandragoness

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#35714: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:23:52 PM

[up][up]They obviously aren't, they don't do the discipline thing...so Larson just tends to not smarten up. Is very bad. Love is not the only thing a child needs, just as strictness isn't the only thing.

edited 24th Jul '16 9:25:07 PM by randomness4

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#35715: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:25:10 PM

[up]*Laramie

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#35716: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:29:09 PM

Randomness does character nicknames...

No correction necessary.

It's a nickname for his nickname.

edited 24th Jul '16 9:31:37 PM by randomness4

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#35717: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:35:01 PM

Marginally related, would Kevin count as a Depraved Bisexual, considering he had no problem hitting on someone even after he found out that that person was a little boy and a little girl fused together?

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#35718: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:35:56 PM

No because he noped the fuck outta there after he found out Stevonnie was two kids in a trenchcoat.

His dialogue with them during the race was just him being a dick, he said so himself.

edited 24th Jul '16 9:36:30 PM by LeGarcon

Oh really when?
thebandragoness Since: Feb, 2016
#35719: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:36:01 PM

[up][up]Ehhh, I think he was just trying to rile them up.

edited 24th Jul '16 9:36:20 PM by thebandragoness

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#35720: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:37:43 PM

He was trying to agitate the youngsters, like true jerks.

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#35721: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:38:55 PM

I'm pretty sure he doesn't know Stevonnie is a fusion, though I'm not entirely sure what he thinks they are, since his previously stated belief of "two kids in a trench coat" seriously doesn't hold water. (Then again, that might not stop him...)

(As for trans Lars... well, the idea doesn't bother me, but it doesn't interest me either. Trans literally any other character would be more interesting to me. ... Actually, I think I just don't like Lars.)

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#35722: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:41:26 PM

He said 'two kids in a hot trench coat', I think he was speaking metaphorically.

Malco from the Gungeon Since: Oct, 2015
#35723: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:43:39 PM

Well, greetings everyone. The new guy here. Can anyone tell me about the pilot I just watched? Everyone including the title screen looks different... am I just going to blame it on Early Installment Weirdness, or does this episode totally not count?

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#35725: Jul 24th 2016 at 9:44:56 PM

Pilot is totes not canon and the designs change completely. The plot gets recycled later though.

And not to send away a new friend but I'd be careful, we're waaaaaay ahead of you in the episode discussion. If you're the type to avoid spoilers you might wanna hang back a bit.

Oh really when?

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