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BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Watcher on the Tower
#35551: Jul 23rd 2016 at 7:21:49 AM

[up] I would think after what the Gems did, plus how she looked at Steven in "Chile Tid", she might want to rip him to pieces.

edited 23rd Jul '16 7:22:06 AM by BlueBlaze64

"The cruelest thing you can do to an artist is tell them their work is flawless when it isn't." -Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#35552: Jul 23rd 2016 at 7:43:10 AM

And I'm not sure if the show creators actually believe that. But I guess it would make sense for a show with a central theme of love and relationships to have as an unredeemable antagonist that actually got to our main characters a guy like Kevin; Someone who tries to force someone into a relationship.

I've had similar thoughts. The episode does seem to imply that Steven's Berserk Button is people who don't respect boundries. It wouldn't be the first time the series has touched on that theme, given how Garnet describes the fusion experiments, and how you interpret Pearl tricking Garnet into fusing.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#35553: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:05:07 AM

I'm sure Steven doesn't hate Kevin more than the Homeworld gems because he actually thinks his acts are worse. It has more to do with him knowing the context of Kevin's action better because he grew up on Earth, he's not some part of an alien culture Steven doesn't know anything about.

And with Jasper specifically, Steven probably doesn't feel any point in resenting someone who's met some terrible fate at the end of every meeting with him. Kevin showed up and showed off that he's been doing well, yet never stopped being a prick.

(Watermelon) Steven looked worried when Jasper went sliding into the abyss, and I'm sure he'd feel the same if Kevin's life was in danger (and not just help him with gritted teeth), but nothing close to that ever happened.

The episode does seem to imply that Steven's Berserk Button is people who don't respect boundaries.
If that were it, he'd logically hate Jasper way more than Kevin. Kevin got really pushy when hitting on someone. Jasper practically forced Lapis to fuse with her.

edited 23rd Jul '16 8:07:16 AM by thatother1dude

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#35554: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:07:23 AM

He'd also hate Lapis after forcing Jasper to stay fused with her.

Oh really when?
Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#35555: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:10:08 AM

@Collen Yeah, that's what I meant: Lately Greg got rich, Peridot got TK and Steven got power to posses bodies.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#35556: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:13:25 AM

I don't think it's about boundaries. He just hates that Kevin didn't even care he made someone feel uncomfortable. He's fine with not respecting other people's boundaries if he thinks something good will come out of it. As Barn Mates and other more recent episodes have shown.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35557: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:13:53 AM

I think Steven's burning hate for Kevin is one of two things.

Steven is usually pretty water off a duck about people being rude or whatever to him. But he was kind of sort of mind melded with Connie and Connie already had social anxieties going on before Kevin started creeping.

And/or also its not that it was going swimmingly before but dude kind of ruined Stevonnie's first outing.

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#35558: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:17:06 AM

Now that you mention it I think he was more being angry for Connie than himself, because he really likes her. Which is why she was able to talk him out of letting it get to him.

BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Watcher on the Tower
#35559: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:24:52 AM

[up] Somebody mentioned that in the show's subreddit, but said that that's doing a disservice to Steven's character. They said that the way Steven's been written so far, as a boy very in touch with his feminine side, he should feel just as uncomfortable as Connie does.

edited 23rd Jul '16 8:25:11 AM by BlueBlaze64

"The cruelest thing you can do to an artist is tell them their work is flawless when it isn't." -Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#35560: Jul 23rd 2016 at 8:29:47 AM

They said that the way Steven's been written so far, as a boy very in touch with his feminine side, he should feel just as uncomfortable as Connie does.
The idea isn't that Steven thought Connie was hurt by it worse than him, it's that it affected them both equally, but Steven cares more about her well-being than his own.

However, I think that's still treating Steven as small-minded. I like to think he's equally offended for the both of them and anyone else Kevin treated the same way.

(And being offended by someone sexually harassing you has nothing to do with being in touch with your feminine side.)

edited 23rd Jul '16 8:48:38 AM by thatother1dude

Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#35561: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:02:15 AM

If that were it, he'd logically hate Jasper way more than Kevin. Kevin got really pushy when hitting on someone. Jasper practically forced Lapis to fuse with her.

I'm not so sure, since as Stevonne, Steven experienced Kevin's pushiness directly. I'll admit that this is all very speculative, but Steven's hatred of Kevin is very conspicuous.

BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Watcher on the Tower
#35562: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:02:50 AM

[up][up] Good point. I didn't think about it like that. He probably puts others before himself anyway, so it makes sense. And I didn't mean to imply that his feminine makes him more offended by those advances. I was just trying to sum up his character in a few words.

edited 23rd Jul '16 9:04:19 AM by BlueBlaze64

"The cruelest thing you can do to an artist is tell them their work is flawless when it isn't." -Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#35563: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:04:29 AM

Yeah, Steven being mad partially for Connie's sake does make a lot of sense. Steven does seem like the kind of person who'd have an easier time forgiving someone who hurt him than he would forgiving someone hurting another person.

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#35564: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:05:11 AM

Steven is probably too terrified of Jasper to hate her. We also haven't heard is opinion on the Diamonds.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#35565: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:05:18 AM

However, I think that's still treating Steven as small-minded. I like to think he's equally offended for the both of them and anyone else Kevin treated the same way.
I mean, probably. Normally, Steven cares more about the feelings of people close to him than himself. So sure.

In particular though, he cares a lot about how Connie is doing. The kid, adores her so much he thinks she could be president.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#35566: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:10:55 AM

Someone who tries to force someone into a relationship.

A bad, uncomfortable relationship, built on contempt, detachment, and dependency. Kevin seems like the type of guy to dangle his approval in front of people and withdraw it often and offer it randomly and parsimoniously, always keeping her off-balance and dependent. The sort of guy who treats you condescendingly, but, when he notices you're fed up, shows you a glimmer of care and attention, just enough to keep you hooked.

Like a human slot machine.

EDIT: I think Laremy has that effect on Sadie, but he's not really doing it on purpose.

edited 23rd Jul '16 9:12:02 AM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#35567: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:11:57 AM

Steven is probably too terrified of Jasper to hate her.

I think that's a possibility. Frankly, while Steven has good reasons to hate Jasper, I haven't gotten the sense that he really does. Perhaps that's because he hasn't interacted with her that much, so he doesn't have personal experience with her the way he did Kevin, Lapis and Peridot.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#35568: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:13:06 AM

Jasper is merely an enemy. Kevin is a personal affront.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Austin Since: Jan, 2001
#35569: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:17:40 AM

Yes, that's a good way to put it.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#35570: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:24:00 AM

It shows how much he cares about Connie, if he hates someone who made her uncomfortable, more than someone who tried to disintegrate his family with a Death Ray.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
#35571: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:25:15 AM

I dunno if it's just about Connie. He doesn't hate Lapis and she almost drowned Connie.

Oh really when?
xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#35572: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:35:10 AM

He's willing to give people a pass if they have a Freudian Excuse. He was about to forgive Kevin, when he had that monologue about a "little brother".

Plus he was angry when that happened.

edited 23rd Jul '16 9:53:16 AM by xanderiskander

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#35573: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:39:24 AM

On a different note, that nightmare vision of the world crumbling around them before everything goes black - I wonder if that's what uncontrolled defusing always looks/feels like for a fusion.

Now I'm imagining the scene where Garnet came undone in Keystone from Garnet's point of view.

edited 23rd Jul '16 9:39:45 AM by KnownUnknown

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#35574: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:40:58 AM

I saw Stevonnie's hallucinations as a visual representation of anxiety attacks, rather than defusing.

Also, I'm just really happy that Jasper is with all the main cast in the SDCC poster. Gives me hope.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#35575: Jul 23rd 2016 at 9:44:11 AM

From what we've seen, uncontrollably defusing is rather like an anxiety attack.


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