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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#34026: Jul 2nd 2016 at 6:37:51 AM

The tape is still fine, which really is the important bit. She can always get another recorder.

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#34027: Jul 2nd 2016 at 8:57:45 AM

I think someone giving me a rock tied to a stick when I'm feeling down would be hilarious and awesome.

GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#34028: Jul 2nd 2016 at 9:28:03 AM

Speaking of Lapis. Does anyone find it amusing that she the most depressive character in the show, yet she shed a tear?

edited 2nd Jul '16 9:29:51 AM by GarnetRebeller96

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#34029: Jul 2nd 2016 at 9:39:18 AM

I'd say that both Peridot and Lapis were right and wrong in that situation.

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GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#34030: Jul 2nd 2016 at 9:40:42 AM

Made a mistake there. Lapis never shed a tear in a show filled with people who cry.

edited 2nd Jul '16 9:41:35 AM by GarnetRebeller96

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#34031: Jul 2nd 2016 at 9:41:06 AM

Her gem is a tear, constantly.

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Cailleach Studious Girl from Purgatory Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
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#34032: Jul 2nd 2016 at 9:46:09 AM

Lapis cries on the inside. Like Applejack

hcobb Since: Jan, 2001
thebandragoness Since: Feb, 2016
#34034: Jul 2nd 2016 at 10:47:26 AM

My personal theory is that Rose wasn't planning on giving up her physical form to have Steven, but there were complications during his birth and she did it to save his life (somehow). I mean, we know the Gems are naturally genderless and Rose shapeshifted a womb, but we also know that shapeshifting is a great strain on a Gem's energy. Now imagine having to hold your shapeshifted form for months on end because if you don't, the baby inside you will die.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#34035: Jul 2nd 2016 at 10:49:07 AM

That doesn't work. Lion 3 shows that she knew what would happen...

edited 2nd Jul '16 10:55:03 AM by randomness4

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RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#34036: Jul 2nd 2016 at 10:49:49 AM

Issue. She outright said months before Steven was born. "Steven, you and I, we can't both exist."

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thebandragoness Since: Feb, 2016
#34037: Jul 2nd 2016 at 11:01:38 AM

Yeah, but she might have learned that she had to give up her physical form for Steven a bit in advance, so she had enough time to get her affairs in order. But it's not like she knew she had to die from the moment she conceived Steven, is what I'm saying.

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#34038: Jul 2nd 2016 at 11:16:42 AM

I think it would water down her sacrifice. She planned for it, but going ahead anyway while knowing it will make her human gives it pathos, and quite possibly her first and only sense of mortality/death outside of breaking.

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#34039: Jul 2nd 2016 at 12:15:21 PM

[up]Yup this. [tup]

I want to see (Kiki's Pizza Delivery Service) alone for the great title.

Same.

Her gem is a tear, constantly.

Lapis cries on the inside. Like Applejack

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thebandragoness Since: Feb, 2016
#34040: Jul 2nd 2016 at 1:10:36 PM

Alrighty, now that I'm home from work, I can elaborate on what I'm talking about.

I think it would water down her sacrifice.

Keep in mind that the act of sacrificing yourself isn't in and of itself always a good thing to do. For Rose's sacrifice to have any meaning, there needs to be a good reason for it. Now, of course, I highly suspect we're missing some key information about the backstory here, so everything I'm saying is pure Wild Mass Guessing, but I just think the whole Rose/Steven sacrifice thingy (or "Conceivin' Steven," as I like to call it) is super interesting to think about.

We don't really know why Rose decided to have a baby. Was she hoping to discover a way for Gems to reproduce without destroying planets? Was it all part of a crazy Batman Gambit to reincarnate herself so she could be raised on Earth with no memories of Homeworld in order to create a stronger Power of Love capable of ending the war and creating peace between humans and gems? Or did she simply want to have a baby with Greg and didn't care about anything else?

Furthermore, we don't know when Rose realized that she and Steven couldn't exist at the same time. Did she know this before she got pregnant with him? Was it part of the plan all along, or was it an unexpected road block? Was it something Garnet could predict with her future-vision?

The reason I think Rose didn't know she'd have to give up her physical form until after she'd already gotten pregnant is because:

1) It'd make it more of a "Lily Potter" situation where the mom was only trying to protect her child and didn't realize there was any sort of magical destiny involved, as opposed to Rose being all like, "Greg, Greg, let's have a baby! I can't wait for him to be deprived of a normal life as he shoulders the burden of an interstellar war! Who's Mommy's wittle child soldier? Who's Mommy's wittle child soldier?"

2) It'd explain why Rose was being so darn cryptic about everything. If she knew her physical form was toast from the moment she became pregnant, than she could've had the foresight to hold off on becoming pregnant until her affairs were in order. She could've made sure to clean out most if not all of the corrupted gems, explain to the other Crystal Gems who Lion is, attach a sticky note to the Laser Light Cannon that says, "BTW, the cannon password is that thing Greg always says about the hot dogs," etc.

If Rose suddenly learned she had to give up her physical form midway through her pregnancy, maybe she only had time to film a quick video to hide inside Lion's mane and whatnot. Heck, for all we know she could've given birth to Steven shortly after filming that. I mean, I'm not even sure if Rose went into labor or anything like a regular human. When they said she gave up her physical form for Steven, I always got the mental image of a grandiose magical pink sparkle explosion where she vanished into thin air, leaving an adorable baby Steven sitting on the ground where she'd stood.

That's just my guess, anyways. Sorry if I got any details wrong. I'm afraid I can't recall an exact, perfect Steven Universe timeline from memory.

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#34041: Jul 2nd 2016 at 1:35:20 PM

See that is a decent idea, but it doesn't match with what bits we do know.

Rose kept secrets, secrets she didn't even tell Pearl, her co-conspirator of the rebellion about Lion, about the Cluster, or her own thoughts on the future. All evidence points to her being a master strategist that had a plan in mind, and although she definitely did this from a place of caring, (the video wouldn't even exist if she didn't), the fact that she reincarnated herself into a being that can bridge the gap between humans and Gems, have a greater capacity to empathize with both, and be immune to Homeworld technology seems suspicious.

A theory that has gained a little support, and one I agree with to an extent, is that Rose did all this to clean her slate and start over as a fresh being free of Gem prejudice and shortcomings. And if you consider, it hurt all the Crystal Gems to lose her, but it's overall been for the greater good.

Pearl's working through her insecurities and confidence issues, Amethyst has a massive boost in self-awareness and maturity, and Garnet has learned to take charge as the leader they need.

Not to imply it was all planned down to the smallest detail, that would rob Steven of his empathy and free will, but Steven has done more to help the Gems than Rose has for countless years.

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#34042: Jul 2nd 2016 at 2:04:47 PM

I dont like your theory dark, I know its makes a lot of sense and that its probably true, but I dont like it. Sure I do know Bandragonness isnt true and messes with Canon evidencen and I dont particularly like it even. Cant Rose just want to have a kid without any manipulations or machinations?

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#34043: Jul 2nd 2016 at 2:13:39 PM

Not really no, there's gonna be some reason...unfortunarely in fiction land characters can't do things "just cause"....well they can, but not if it actually matters.

edited 2nd Jul '16 2:14:06 PM by randomness4

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Cailleach Studious Girl from Purgatory Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
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#34044: Jul 2nd 2016 at 2:16:40 PM

I feel like the show is leaning towards the idea that she did have some sort of motive. Even the symbolism. Like how her eyes are almost always closed or covered when we see her, which is the symbolic definition of a character being shady or untrustworthy. And the fact that she kept things hidden from even Pearl. She knew Pearl for over 5,000 years. Keeping so many things hidden from her for that long must have taken some serious effort. The fact that she's still almost completely shrouded in mystery after two seasons shows that whatever the reason for her having Steven is, it's not going to be a simple one. If it was simple, they could have told us right away. A simple answer like "she just wanted to" would feel like a cop-out at this point, since it's been built up to so much

edited 2nd Jul '16 2:17:46 PM by Cailleach

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#34045: Jul 2nd 2016 at 2:29:13 PM

Yeah, pretty much this. I'm the last person that wants to vilify Rose Quartz, especially with some directions fans take her, but it's not untrue that there's a dubious air around her.

Just going by what canon's not said yet on the matter, she had something in mind. Conservation of Detail, and such.

thebandragoness Since: Feb, 2016
#34046: Jul 2nd 2016 at 2:36:32 PM

Can't Rose just want to have a kid without any manipulations or machinations?

Well, she could, but that would be massively irresponsible of her considering she's the leader of the only group of beings on the planet who have anything close to a good chance of saving mankind from the looming threat of the Homeworld Gems. So either she had Steven because she thought it would ultimately be a good thing for mankind, or she had him despite it worsening mankind's chances of survival.

But that's all assuming she knew in advance that giving birth to Steven would require her to sacrifice her physical form before she got pregnant, which is still not 100% certain at this point. For all we know, maybe Rose originally did just want a kid without any manipulations or machinations, but then when she realized she could only give birth by basically erasing her own memories and reincarnating herself, she was forced to attribute a greater weight to her decision than she originally wanted?

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RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#34047: Jul 2nd 2016 at 3:36:13 PM

Why do we assume Rose knew about the Cluster? That doesn't make any kind of sense.

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Cailleach Studious Girl from Purgatory Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
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#34048: Jul 2nd 2016 at 3:43:34 PM

[up] I don't think she did. If she did, there was no way she wouldn't have told them. That's life or death important. She couldn't have foreseen Peridot coming to Earth and eventually telling them about it. So if she knew and didn't tell them, the other Crystal Gems and Steven would all be doomed, as far as she knew. And when Garnet first saw the gem mutants, she finally realized where all the other Crystal Gems were that they couldn't save, which implies that they had been searching for them for a while but to no avail

hcobb Since: Jan, 2001
#34049: Jul 2nd 2016 at 5:01:02 PM

Rose hasn't been crushed or corrupted, so the only remaining possibilities are

  • Poofed: She's taking a really long nap.
  • Fused: She is the part that loves him, just like CG Sap.
or ...
  • Warped: She's waiting in warp space. She can't return to flat space without displacing Steven. She's been working on something really important all this time.

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#34050: Jul 2nd 2016 at 6:23:28 PM

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