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YamiVizziniX Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
#33776: Jun 25th 2016 at 6:06:52 AM

Sorry. But I am genuinely ticked off at all these leaks, and I haven't even seen them. (In fact I don't know where they actually came from so I will apologize again and refrain from further comment.)

There is no beginning. There is no end. There is only... Hooty.
DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#33777: Jun 25th 2016 at 6:37:49 AM

Do we have a date for when new episodes are coming out yet?

When we're done, there won't be anything left.
thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#33778: Jun 25th 2016 at 7:39:04 AM

[up]No. It might be as early as twelve days or as late as... never.

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#33779: Jun 25th 2016 at 7:57:56 AM

Good, because I was talking about examples such as the whiptail lizard, like I said in the post. Not bacteria. And again, I haven't seen bacteria referred to as ''female". If I did, it would show that mother and daughter terminology is literal, not figurative.

a female parent

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/daughter

71. a female child or person in relation to her parents. 2. any female descendant. 3. a person related as if by the ties binding daughter to parent: daughter of the church. 4. anything personified as female and considered with respect to its origin: The United States is the daughter of the 13 colonies.

Calling them mother and daughter is calling them female. It is not linguistically possible to call something a mother or daughter without calling it female. Femaleness is an inherent part of being a mother or daughter.

I'm not saying bacteria are male. Why do you keep suggesting I'm saying that? Forget about father and son.

Because if only female terms are applicable and male terms are never applicable, that means they are female.

Edit: Yes, your linked definitions say "produce offspring" without mentioning gametes. But these are secondary definitions, buried under definitions that define female gametes. Budding and others are not mentioned.

Irrelevant. Find a secondary definition of male that applies and that is the only way you will have a leg to stand on. The reason that some other examples of asexual reproduction aren't mentioned only in the dictionary definitions I supplied (but are mentioned in the other sources I mentioned, which you would have seen if you'd looked) is because males are capable of some of those forms of sexual reproduction, but then are only classified as males as they can produce male gametes as well. Things that are incapable of producing male gametes are always female. That is what calling them mothers and daughters means. If it were not, they'd only use "parent and offspring/infant/juvenile" and never use "mother and daughter. The fact that they do use "mother and daughter" and never use "father and son" despite''a gender neutral term existing means that yes, they are female.

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#33780: Jun 25th 2016 at 7:59:55 AM

We're getting off topic anyway, so lets end it here.

edited 25th Jun '16 8:08:01 AM by SilentColossus

BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Watcher on the Tower
#33781: Jun 25th 2016 at 10:54:24 AM

Those last few pages of discussion is what happens when you try too hard to apply logic to a cartoon. A show should have some logic and fact to it, but not so much that it leads to a semantics argument in attempt to clarify something in the show.

It's a classic Watsonian versus Doylist argument. You could argue for days about the Gems' biology, or whether or not the Gems really are female or not, or how Rose created (or became) Steven, or if Steven is or isn't a girl. At the end of the day, however, the show's creators just wanted to make a show about a group of tough alien fighters that look human and female enough that kids would see them has humanoid women. And to have as its star a boy who's just very in touch with his feminine side.

You should never go deeper with a story than the creator has. I'm pretty sure Sugar herself couldn't explain the science behind the Gems. I mean, the MST3K Mantra exists for a reason.

"The cruelest thing you can do to an artist is tell them their work is flawless when it isn't." -Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#33782: Jun 25th 2016 at 1:47:15 PM

I believe it started as an argument as to whether male gems could be a thing. I think that they technically could very well exist, but for reasons that [up] has stated it would sort of go against the point of the show.

Though there were some (highly questionable and most definitely false) leaks that brought up the possibility of Bismuth as a gender-neutral character, which I could see as a fair compromise, seeing as a hypothetical Bismuth character wouldn't really be a gem.

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#33783: Jun 25th 2016 at 1:54:01 PM

We were talking about the biological definition of female; we lost sight of the Gems, or at least I did. We were talking about the biological sex of asexually reproducing cells and bacteria.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#33784: Jun 25th 2016 at 1:57:49 PM

Nobody wants the Crewniverse to go back on their word about Gem's gender specifics.

But in order to progress without lying, impressionable forms of a newborn gem? They take the form similar to the first moving creature they see...it just so happens to be male and as a bonus, it has a female voice.

Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#33785: Jun 25th 2016 at 2:17:18 PM

Gusite is presumably male.

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
hcobb Since: Jan, 2001
#33786: Jun 25th 2016 at 2:26:12 PM

Now which of you Stevens revealed that "Sadie" is actually Dolly from The Family Circus?

Ida know.

Not me!

edited 25th Jun '16 2:27:31 PM by hcobb

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#33787: Jun 25th 2016 at 2:30:12 PM

I don't see the resemblances.

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hcobb Since: Jan, 2001
#33788: Jun 25th 2016 at 2:39:08 PM

c.f. the Coach Steven version with the ponytail.

edited 25th Jun '16 2:40:00 PM by hcobb

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#33789: Jun 25th 2016 at 2:41:22 PM

Only just barely, mang.

Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.
RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
True colors
#33790: Jun 25th 2016 at 6:11:52 PM

Guys guys! I think I found the secret identity of the centipeetle.

Albeit, green is not mentioned among the colors for it. But Agate itself comes in nearly every color.

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
SmartGirl333 New account is voidify Since: Nov, 2014
New account is voidify
#33791: Jun 25th 2016 at 6:15:11 PM

But consider

Seriously, that second image looks exactly like Centipeetle's gem

RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
True colors
#33792: Jun 25th 2016 at 6:21:13 PM

I am torn there. On the other hand, pun, on the other hand the appropriate color.

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#33793: Jun 26th 2016 at 7:26:06 AM

Talk about an Unconventional Learning Experience. Even the Walkers said they learned more about gemstones than they'd ever imagined by watching the show.

I mean, who knew what a peridot, sardonyx, or sugilite were before watching this series?

Ninjaxenomorph The best and the worst. from Texas, Texas, Texas Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
The best and the worst.
#33794: Jun 26th 2016 at 10:00:33 AM

I knew what a peridot was vaguely (I knew it was a gemstone that could be rolled up on an RPG loot table, at least).

Me and my friend's collaborative webcomic: Forged Men
DaftPunch hiya, the name's scout. from lesbian Since: Dec, 2013 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
hiya, the name's scout.
#33795: Jun 26th 2016 at 10:19:55 AM

Peridot is my birthstone

Haha sorry, I showed up randomly. Let me introduce myself - my name is Daft Punch, and I've been a member of these forums since early- to mid-2013, I think.

And I do love Steven Universe, though I have to watch it in secret, because my mom won't let me watch it... Come on, mom, I'm just about 17...

What do we usually discuss?

edited 26th Jun '16 10:21:40 AM by DaftPunch

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#33796: Jun 26th 2016 at 11:05:10 AM

What do we usually discuss?
On a good day, Steven Universe. Otherwise, I don't even know.

hcobb Since: Jan, 2001
#33797: Jun 26th 2016 at 11:24:47 AM

wild mass guess Rose chose the five pointed star as the symbol for her movement because she knew that that each Diamond was a four-way fusion, and that was the reason they chose their four-pointed symbol.

MsAmiClassified Tired of givin' up the ghost from the fucking ocean Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Tired of givin' up the ghost
#33798: Jun 26th 2016 at 12:27:03 PM

I'm not seeing the connection.

moved to Oceanstuck because this handle was starting to bother me my tumblr
hcobb Since: Jan, 2001
#33799: Jun 26th 2016 at 12:34:37 PM

We know that the 4-pointed diamond isn't for the four Diamonds because each kept a personal 4-pointed diamond symbol (of distinct color) even as their combined symbol switched from four color blocks to three. So there is something fourfold with one point leading about each Diamond.

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#33800: Jun 26th 2016 at 12:40:47 PM

@Daft. Oh heya, nice to see you. We're mostly on topic, though lots of theorizing.


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