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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#33701: Jun 22nd 2016 at 3:56:31 PM

[up][up]Meh, having a male gem woundt take anything of that away(it seen a very zero sum thng going on) but I dont think they can be male just change outfit

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lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#33703: Jun 22nd 2016 at 5:08:17 PM

And its still the best thing ever.

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#33704: Jun 22nd 2016 at 8:48:11 PM

This may the first time I've seen someone admit to pirating a show that they worked on.

hcobb Since: Jan, 2001
#33705: Jun 22nd 2016 at 9:08:23 PM

Does Lion's roar blast have the same effect as Steven's disruption attack? (Has Steven used this much except to zap the water replicas in Ocean Gem?)

YamiVizziniX Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
#33706: Jun 22nd 2016 at 9:18:42 PM

Mr. Multiverse (Steven and Greg) being voiced by Jack Black
[awesome][tup]pleeeeeeaaaaaaase

If My Little Pony can get Weird Al this should be plausible.

There is no beginning. There is no end. There is only... Hooty.
darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#33707: Jun 23rd 2016 at 12:00:28 AM

I wouldn't think so when it comes to his sonic blasts. Steven/Rose's shield seems to be entirely unique.

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#33708: Jun 23rd 2016 at 2:54:56 AM

Every monogendered race that is not hermaphroditic is female by definition.

SmartGirl333 New account is voidify Since: Nov, 2014
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#33709: Jun 23rd 2016 at 3:08:18 AM

Thank you, biology major, for kicking down media sexism. This is not meant to be sarcastic, but it sounds too ridiculous to pothole to Sincerity Mode.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#33710: Jun 23rd 2016 at 3:09:02 AM

[up][up] Are you referring to reproduction?

edited 23rd Jun '16 3:09:29 AM by randomness4

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#33711: Jun 23rd 2016 at 3:23:53 AM

Are you referring to reproduction?

Biological maleness has a very specific definition (the type of gametes you produce) and not qualifying for it makes you female by default. Hence "mother and daughter" bacteria.

Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#33712: Jun 23rd 2016 at 3:24:27 AM

I think it's less sexism and more just Acceptable Breaks from Reality. Like fact that Garnet has British accent, instead of having one that doesn't exist on Earth.

SmartGirl333 New account is voidify Since: Nov, 2014
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#33713: Jun 23rd 2016 at 3:26:43 AM

Name three female-coded technically-genderless alien species in fiction other than gems. you can't? that's what i thought

edited 23rd Jun '16 3:26:58 AM by SmartGirl333

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#33714: Jun 23rd 2016 at 3:27:28 AM

I have actually put thought into the accents of characters from my original fiction and how they'd be unique and I'd want that preserved in adaptations.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#33715: Jun 23rd 2016 at 3:31:43 AM

So that doesn't actually apply to the Gems at all.

Alright.

[up][up]Of course one can't, that type of thing isn't very common to begin with.

edited 23rd Jun '16 3:35:51 AM by randomness4

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#33716: Jun 23rd 2016 at 3:36:08 AM

So that doesn't actually apply to the Gems at all. Alright.

It does. They don't produce gametes, therefore, they cannot be male, so they have to be female, by definition.

Also, technically, female-coding doesn't make much sense in aliens either.

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#33717: Jun 23rd 2016 at 4:01:00 AM

It seems rather nonsensical to me to apply this definition to a non-organic species that lack any innate form of biological reproduction. Our rules of male and female don't really apply here.

hcobb Since: Jan, 2001
#33718: Jun 23rd 2016 at 4:38:02 AM

Let me be clear as to the abilities that Steven himself has shown:

Generic Gem abilities:

  • Activate gem tech such as the warp gates, including the gate woven into Lion's mane (which he shared space in with Peridot in Great, so this is generic.)
  • Bubble poofed gems.
  • Send his own bubbles back to the basement. (This may be activation of a special gate there rather than the ability to generate warps on his own.)

Abilities that are associated with Rose, and might just be Rose doing them when Steven says please:

  • Float, negating gravity on things larger than he could reasonably carry.
  • Activate her shield and bubble.
  • Remote empathy/telepathy with gem lifeforms. (Unclear how much of this Rose herself did. Garnet has noted that Steven is better at this than Rose was. c.f. The Centipeetle, chats with Lapis while she was fused up and under the ocean.)
  • Heal gem lifeforms and tech. (Gem tech might just be gem lifeforms.)
  • Transform and control organic life forms. (Her vines, his watermelons, Connie, his own form.)

Abilities that seem specific and new to Steven himself:

  • Resist standard gem disruption effects. (As seen in Jail Break. Seems to be related on his straddling two incompatible domains of life.)
  • The disruption blast he used on the water clones in Ocean Gem.
  • Fuse with Connie. (Rose was said to have tried and failed with Greg.)

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#33719: Jun 23rd 2016 at 5:19:41 AM

It seems rather nonsensical to me to apply this definition to a non-organic species that lack any innate form of biological reproduction. Our rules of male and female don't really apply here.

It's the actual definition. It is a biological concept, so the biological definition is the valid one.

This applies to everything. Including robots and computer programs.

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#33720: Jun 23rd 2016 at 5:29:07 AM

How can a biological concept apply to non-biological things? I've also never seen that definition of female before, where (from a biological sex standpoint, which is separate from gender) it is defined as the sex that produces the egg.

I'm not a biologist, though.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#33721: Jun 23rd 2016 at 5:35:08 AM

Biology refers to how something functions, among other things.

edited 23rd Jun '16 5:37:23 AM by randomness4

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DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
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#33722: Jun 23rd 2016 at 5:43:34 AM

Gems are the most similar to viruses in terms of how they "replicate", and I think I've heard of viruses being referred to mother and daughter viruses.

[up][up] Biological =/= organic. Biology is the study of life. So, for instance, if we encountered a nitrogen-based species, they wouldn't count as organic, but they'd still be biological, since they're alive, and can be studied from a biologic perspective. Though I guess that would raise the question of whether or not Gems count as alive. I think independent reproduction is a requirement for being alive, so Gems may not actually count. They're similar to viruses, like I mentioned, and viruses don't count as alive. But we still study viruses in biology, and we apply biological concepts to viruses, so that may not matter that much.

edited 23rd Jun '16 5:51:36 AM by DeathsApprentice

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Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#33723: Jun 23rd 2016 at 6:01:37 AM

What Deathsapprentice said. Gems would be considered to be like viruses, which biology does study.

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#33724: Jun 23rd 2016 at 6:05:55 AM

[up][up]

All right then. Still doesn't answer my other question, though. I've heard that about mother and daughter viruses, too, but I haven't seen them be called biologically female.

Sereg Since: Jun, 2010
#33725: Jun 23rd 2016 at 6:15:49 AM

Mother and daughter. Not father and son.


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