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RhymeBeat True colors from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#33127: Jun 3rd 2016 at 10:09:10 PM

TBH I don't think Greg being a human was the only reason she didn't take him seriously. That was part of it, but not the whole picture.

It was also because Greg in particular is a goofy, dreamy, Human, who dropped everything he was doing practically out of nowhere because he adored her. From her perspective everything he's doing is crazy and makes no sense.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#33128: Jun 3rd 2016 at 10:11:51 PM

That's no reasons to treat a person as lesser...unless you're evil alien.

edited 3rd Jun '16 10:12:21 PM by randomness4

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drac0blade Since: Jan, 2015
#33129: Jun 3rd 2016 at 10:16:04 PM

[up] Or an ignorant alien who learns better when she seriously starts dating one of them.

edited 3rd Jun '16 10:17:43 PM by drac0blade

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#33130: Jun 3rd 2016 at 10:18:29 PM

Wait, you're talking about Rose?

I thought you meant Perry winkle.

edited 3rd Jun '16 10:19:47 PM by randomness4

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#33131: Jun 3rd 2016 at 10:22:10 PM

Rose didn't realize she was doing it until Greg pointed it out though, and after he did she (very likely if the relationship ended up working) fixed it.

Anyway I've had friends who have done similar things to Rose. The kind of people who try to fill every part of a conversation with a joke, even when it's not appropriate when you want to have a serious conversation. It's not the worst mistake anyone can make by any means. And once you point it out to them they usually fix it.

I think another part of it, was Greg's whole schtick was that he's an entertainer, so Rose thought she was supposed to laugh at everything he said.

edited 3rd Jun '16 10:34:01 PM by xanderiskander

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#33132: Jun 3rd 2016 at 10:27:23 PM

Illegal Aliens must only understand one form of entertainment.

Once learned, it just sticks.

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#33133: Jun 3rd 2016 at 10:31:14 PM

??

You've lost me.

edited 3rd Jun '16 10:31:59 PM by xanderiskander

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#33134: Jun 3rd 2016 at 10:33:31 PM

Only understood Comedy, Rose did...never learned anything else before being told off by Greg, she was.

That's when the real relationship started.

edited 3rd Jun '16 10:34:59 PM by randomness4

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#33135: Jun 3rd 2016 at 10:37:17 PM

Wouldn't that be her not understanding comedy, because she didn't notice when he wasn't joking?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#33136: Jun 3rd 2016 at 10:41:30 PM

She understood that she was suppose to laugh, she didn't understand when she was suppose to or what jokes were.

Gems don't seem to understand actual jokes, they only laugh at stuff that just "is" and puns apparently.

edited 3rd Jun '16 10:42:36 PM by randomness4

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diyedas Since: Feb, 2010
#33137: Jun 3rd 2016 at 11:45:05 PM

I think a somewhat better way to put it is that Rose wasn't taking Greg seriously because maybe at the time she didn't take humans all that seriously? Course it doesn't help that Greg himself usually isn't a very serious guy.

edited 3rd Jun '16 11:45:29 PM by diyedas

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#33138: Jun 3rd 2016 at 11:52:33 PM

He's a very earnest guy, though. That's important.

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diyedas Since: Feb, 2010
#33139: Jun 4th 2016 at 12:06:35 AM

[up]Indeed which is what drew Rose to Greg and what helped her and the other gems to understand humans better.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#33140: Jun 4th 2016 at 1:40:48 AM

There is issue here: Greg wasn joking and Rose didnt consider funny what he was doing, she considered funny his atempt to fusion and was insensitive because that was a HUGE to it(granted Pearl help with that)

As general rule insensitive is running theme with all gems: the comment of Pearl and even Garnet made of Amathyst, Peridot in the moon base, and her and Lapis in barn mates, that is why I consider gems in general as combination of the eldar(arrogant and with tendecy of art) and the steriotypical Vulcan(cool,impersonal,have trouble with social skills) Steven is protagonist in part for being so sensible

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#33141: Jun 4th 2016 at 1:51:23 AM

She laughed at him when he asked she respected him...that's pretty harsh even if unintentional.

She wasn't treating the situation seriously...her saying "All" humans are funny ended up being the breaking point.

She laughed at his attempt at fusion sure, but that's not the only thing.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#33142: Jun 4th 2016 at 2:17:38 AM

[up]that was what kickstart everything, even his request was to take him seriously, she miss why fusion was important to him because...well he is human and they cant fused

Also Like I said before, there is something of foregin bend here, she is women that come from far way and get charm by Greg and laught him after he fail a something, that remain me to the typical plotline of "white women come to foregin place and get smite by local lover"

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#33143: Jun 4th 2016 at 2:29:13 AM

It's also a subversion of how these conversations can sometimes go. In some series, the conversation has the human trying to do something the alien/magical creature can only do, finds it funny, and there's usually some joke/lesson where the normal character learns to accept their limitations.

Up until the laughter started to go on longer than was comfortable, and Greg's Wham Line, many were laughing with Rose until it suddenly wasn't funny.

InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#33144: Jun 4th 2016 at 10:06:53 AM

I just don't get the impression that the Rebellion was a fight for Earth. At least, not really for Earth. Because if it were just a fight for Earth, would YD really care that much? Let the idiots stay with their monkey pets, fine, sure, whatever.

Flash back to the Extended Opening, and what each gem fights for.

Pearl fights because of Rose. It's implied at other points that Pearl at one point was a servant Pearl who was freed by Rose, and fights by her because she feels indebted to (and also very, very gay for) Rose. This also ties into the next bit.

Garnet fights because the gems support her, being, well, her. The crystal gems don't have that same repressive caste system (that's where Pearl ties in) that Homeworld does.

Amethyst actually fights for Earth, but she wasn't a part of the Rebellion proper, same with Steven. It's also important to note that both actually were raised on Earth, and have a deeper connection to Earth.

Considering the extreme lengths Homeworld went to during the Rebellion, in addition to the Crystal Gem's seeming fondness but no deep personal attachment to Earth, I don't see reason to believe that Earth even was the reason for the Rebellion.

Basically, the way we're being told is that Rose was just some random to tourist to Earth who became an Earth hippie because trees were really pretty and animals were cute, and then proceeded to wage war against an intergalactic space empire that resulted in the unleashing of at least one superweapon and the planting of two other superweapons. That doesn't add up.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#33145: Jun 4th 2016 at 10:19:49 AM

When ya put it that way...Stephen's not actually fighting for Earth either, he's fighting to become what the other Crystal Gems want him to be...like his Momma.

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#33146: Jun 4th 2016 at 10:56:24 AM

So they can't fight for something and all have different motives for doing that?

I don't think anyone here was really under the impression that they wanted to protect the earth, just because they wanted to protect it. I think people would expect a few more reasons than just that, in a character focused show like this.

InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#33147: Jun 4th 2016 at 11:07:59 AM

My point is that the reason the Rebellion is such a big deal to everyone has nothing to do with Earth and everything to do with the dangerous ideologies that Rose was proposing. YD doesn't hate Earth because she's salty she lost, she hates Earth because if the Crystal Gems are still alive it means they could spread, and if they spread then they could one day reignite that spark in other parts of the empire, and maybe this time it might spread too far to easily crush.

Earth is cool and all, but it was just the battleground and maybe the incitement, nothing more. It's like saying that Franz Ferdinand was the real cause of WWI and not..., well, the clusterfuck surrounding Europe at the time.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#33148: Jun 4th 2016 at 11:22:20 AM

I dunno, man, foreign aliens in fiction have gone to extreme lengths to protect Earth. They don't stop at the Patrick Stewart Speech, either; they risk and sacrifice their lives. We're just that special.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#33149: Jun 4th 2016 at 11:28:22 AM

A lot of the comments that the Crystal Gems made leads me to believe that Earth is fascinating and worth protecting in their eyes for the unique variety of life.

Look at Pearl cooing over how nature has reclaimed a battlefield. Ruby and Sapphire and Peridot's fascination with frogs and bugs.

I do think that the biological life of Earth (humans included but not most important) was the spark of the Rebellion back when it was just Rose and Pearl. But the Rebellion got big because it offered a break from Homeworld's culture. Where Pearls didn't have to be servants and where you could fuse with whoever wanted to fuse with you, regardless of function and caste. Rose taking a stand against Homeworld to protect the life on Earth became a rallying cry for bunches of other grievances and issues. Maybe the bulk of the army didn't care as much as Rose about biological life but like Garnet they were fighting for Earth as a place they could be themselves.

Also, I wonder if the plant powers came before or after the start of the rebellion.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#33150: Jun 4th 2016 at 11:34:12 AM

Maybe Yellow Diamond doesn't care much for Earth, but I fully believe that Rose would care enough about it to rebel against Homeworld. I mean, I think it's part of a more general opposition to the Diamond's plans for the worlds they conquer, but I think it's entirely possible that someone like Rose, who definitely seemed to have a great deal of love for life and beauty, would take a stand over Earth.

Also, what [up][up] and [up] said.

edited 4th Jun '16 11:35:16 AM by KarkatTheDalek

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