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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#32651: May 30th 2016 at 8:56:24 PM

[up]To be fair is not surprising, fans itself also have a sahre of blame because the first thing is "this is NOT my *insert name of superhero* they should turn thing back to normal!" stan lee said Fans have that paradox: they want the world to change but also to remain the same

Also taking about comic book chararter, I was imagine the interaction between gems and chararter for other universe(hey, if Uncle grampa manage to enter) and my first choice was Superman and I really think Clark and Steven would get along, specially since CG provie him with part of his alien ancestry that Superman lack and Because homeworld would remind of clark the worst aspect of Krypton.

(Hell, genderswap Zod and is pretty much a homeworld gem)

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
MsAmiClassified Tired of givin' up the ghost from the fucking ocean Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#32652: May 30th 2016 at 9:00:06 PM

oh yeah that twist

ive heard of that twist

my dash has been swimming in posts about the Unfortunate Implications for the past week

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InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#32653: May 30th 2016 at 9:13:28 PM

I feel like people are way overreacting to this info, which ironically only proves to Marvel that they made a good choice with this move, if now people who don't even associate with comics outside of the cinematic universes are now suddenly invested in the ongoing storylines of various characters within their universes.

It's a twist folks, nothing more, nothing less. The writers aren't going to tell us what happens next, or any realistic long term consequences. If this feels like a shocking betrayal of Capt's character, that's because it's supposed to feel like a shocking betrayal. And bringing the comic in new places, even if it's only for a short period of time, is always more interesting than "muh movie synergy".

EDIT: To tie it back into Steven Universe, it's the equivalent of if, for a couple of episodes, Amethyst got fed up with the Gems and fled home, maybe to chill with Jasper or whatever (I say this because it's a possibility with the new episodes). Yeah, Amethyst is betraying her own home for shallow emotional reasons, and it'd be surprising, and it'd be confusing, and yeah it'd be almost certainly only for a few episodes before the status quo resumed. But those few episodes would have the potential to show us more about Amethyst's character and about the lore surrounding her origin than twenty episodes of Steven running around Beach City making friends.

edited 30th May '16 9:16:19 PM by InAnOdderWay

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#32654: May 30th 2016 at 9:15:14 PM

Pretty fucking scummy to turn a hero made by two Jewish men to stick it to antisemites into a Nazi. To say the least.

Oh really when?
InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#32655: May 30th 2016 at 9:18:07 PM

[up] But hey, folks, we don't really know the full story yet. If it feels like a sudden shocking revelation, that's because it's supposed to feel like a sudden shocking revelation. He's Captain America, they knew what they were doing when they pulled this shit, and they did it with a longer term story arc in mind. Where exactly that story arc might lead is another question entirely, and one entirely in the hands of those in charge over the writing. But it'll lead to new places, and new is the one thing that comics desperately need.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#32656: May 30th 2016 at 9:22:54 PM

who don't even associate with comics outside of the cinematic universes are now suddenly invested in the ongoing storylines of various characters within their universes.
Yeah, uh, nobody is "getting invested in an ongoing storyline". Literally all that's going on is people are saying "hey look at the stupid thing. HA that's funny. Let's make fun of the stupid thing".

And "various characters" is stretching it, when it's just about derailing Steve Rodger's character to capitalize on fan rage for sales.

I've never been into comics, and even I think that's an insulting, and manipulative strategy. It doesn't make me want to read it. It just turns me away, from ever wanting to pick one up.

Though the main reason I've never been into comics is mostly just because I've never seen them sold anywhere, since i've never lived near a comic shop.

edited 30th May '16 9:33:53 PM by xanderiskander

InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#32657: May 30th 2016 at 9:32:42 PM

[up] But there's that word again. "Derailing". I feel like y'all are caught up on the fan rage train too hard, you're talking like it's an indisputable, permanent, retroactive change to all of Captain America that is totally completely what it looks like despite all the obvious long term ramifications and continuity fuck ups that a move like this would entail.

It's not derailing if a character acts OOC. O.O.C. Is Serious Business and all. If something looks wrong, and feels wrong, that's because it's supposed to look and feel wrong. It's not like they were writing this at the seat of their pants thinking "let's make Cap a Nazi, we'll figure out the rest later". They had a storyline in mind, and to make that storyline work they had to have this moment happen.

And yes, it is stupid. Because people with no regard for context, and absolutely no idea with the rest of us how this situation even happened or how it's going to end up, are suddenly declaring themselves the expert over Cap's character because they just got out to see Civil War. I'm not going to be a "look at all these plebs not reading the comics" jackass, but honestly if this twist happened in, say, December it would not be causing the media clusterfuck it is right now.

And, ironically, yes you are helping support Marvel comics by chatting up a storm about it. Because even if you don't read Marvel comics, at the very least you're more aware of it, which might affect later decisions (like going to see Doctor Strange or Black Panther), and talking about it might attract someone else to Marvel Comics, who buys one just to see what all the hype's about.

edited 30th May '16 9:34:15 PM by InAnOdderWay

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#32658: May 30th 2016 at 9:39:37 PM

Again, what people take issue with is how it's just purely for shock value, to manipulate people's anger for sales. Nobody believes the change is permanent. Comic books are notorious for retconning crap. Average people who hear things through the grapevine understand that much.

edited 30th May '16 9:41:55 PM by xanderiskander

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#32659: May 30th 2016 at 9:42:48 PM

Shouldn't really expect much from twist that are purely for shock value even if they planned it out, set standards low for an arc that is likely to be an unsatisfying read.

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#32660: May 30th 2016 at 9:44:53 PM

Yeah, that's the other thing. When you write a story purely for shock value just to retcon it, it doesn't even matter at the end of the day, because it ends as if it never even happened.

edited 30th May '16 9:45:43 PM by xanderiskander

InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#32661: May 30th 2016 at 9:45:16 PM

[up] I mean granted, no change is permanent in most long term mediums, it doesn't make the changes less meaningful. That's how comics run, it's how they have run for 20-30 years. It's about the stories that come out of these changes, not how these changes affect the long term.

And I still think it's stupid to judge "shock value" over a twist that we've just gotten. It's like saying that Gurren Lagann Spoilers Kamina's Death was pure shock value. It came out of left field, sure, and they knew that they would get a strong reaction especially this close to Civil War's release (see also gay Cap activism and Black Panther So Lit around this same time period), but considering we don't even know what any of this means it's idiotic to say what this choice will mean. You guys literally just got the equivalent of a scene from the end of an episode of Breaking Bad where the plot suddenly changes in an unexpected way, and automatically judge it as pure meaningless useless shock value because I apparently missed out on the sale at the Magic 8-Ball store.

edited 30th May '16 9:46:54 PM by InAnOdderWay

ClownToy Since: Aug, 2015
#32662: May 30th 2016 at 9:47:10 PM

How did we ended talking about comics in a Steven Universe thread?

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#32663: May 30th 2016 at 9:47:34 PM

[up][up][up]because nobody want this to be permanent, they want to be undone and return to what Cap does best: pushing people in the face and been good america, that is what it is

"Amethyst is betraying her own home for shallow emotional reasons, and it'd be surprising, and it'd be confusing, and yeah it'd be almost certainly only for a few episodes before the status quo resumed"

but unlike comic which have to avance and retcon over and over, this decision would have a consenquence, after all the use of continuity nods is what make this series great.

"Pretty fucking scummy to turn a hero made by two Jewish men to stick it to antisemites into a Nazi. To say the least."

More tha having said chararter to renunce his identity because Evil nixon(or was reagan?) try to kill him? I mean Cap evole beyond that

edited 30th May '16 9:48:07 PM by unknowing

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#32664: May 30th 2016 at 9:55:48 PM

How did we ended talking about comics in a Steven Universe thread?

Orginally I was just sharing a meme I thought was funny, but then I got invested.

Yeah, I'll stop. I didn't want to get that into that conversation anyway. I don't even know why I started.

InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#32665: May 30th 2016 at 9:55:53 PM

This is my last post on the subject before the mods wake up. Anyways, isn't the whole advantage of comics that you can change shit around, and play with concepts that you couldn't in film or tv? Christ if we went by the public consensus we'd still have white Cap and male Thor (okay I don't actually like some of the execution with the latter but roll with me here). Nothing is temporary, but ultimately if you're trying to read the 30 year history of comics like one consistent story then you're going to have a bad time.

It was always meant to be read in chunks, be it individual stories or on occasion larger temporary sagas (like that whole Avengers chapter that recently ended with Secret Wars 2015, which was also totally the hypest shit). In the individual stories, changes stick and stay. But on a larger scale, ideas are constantly brought back so that other writers can have a new crack at the same concepts. That's comics. And sometimes people don't like the changes. Sometimes because the changes bring the character out of their comfort zone, other times because of poor execution. Oftentimes both. But shitting on someone for trying to see more to Capt's personality is pointless, especially when we don't know the outcome.

tl;dr: Journey, not destination. Reboots mean lots of fresh takes on the same basic idea. Comics have run this way since the 80s.

So, how about that Pink Diamond? I'm not sure if she'll appear as an actual character, we might just see her in post, be it Rose or some other character. I'd rather it that way than to have Steven actually meet her.

edited 30th May '16 9:56:47 PM by InAnOdderWay

MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#32666: May 30th 2016 at 10:02:12 PM

Imagine if someone gets kidnapped and locked in a Gem ship, only to escape through a ventilation shaft.

Gem guard 1: "Come to think of it, why do we have ventilation shafts if we don't need to breathe?"

Gem guard 2: "Haven't I told you? It's not our place to question things!"

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MsAmiClassified Tired of givin' up the ghost from the fucking ocean Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#32667: May 30th 2016 at 10:02:44 PM

sloppy shitty twists dont stop being sloppy shitty twists just because you go durr hurr like we would actually do it

you might as well crank out the "Just Joking" Justification

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ClownToy Since: Aug, 2015
#32668: May 30th 2016 at 10:04:37 PM

[up][up]And because this, the Diamonds are terrible rulers. And the engineers may be smart enough to build a ship, but they have the brain of a Ruby.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#32669: May 30th 2016 at 10:06:38 PM

[up][up][up][up]Like I said, is clear the other diamong give her the stalin move on her and erase from all history, why isnt show yet but aparenly she did something, that aparenly there is SOME conection with Rose....

Also or the one who said blood diamond...sorry, that sound the name of a 90 anti hero

[up][up]writing isnt sloppy because they go against what you consider the best for the chararter, you know?

edited 30th May '16 10:08:35 PM by unknowing

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#32670: May 30th 2016 at 10:07:04 PM

[up]x5 I was saying that...the journey is likely to be an unsatisfying one.

Is that all?

edited 30th May '16 10:08:07 PM by randomness4

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MsAmiClassified Tired of givin' up the ghost from the fucking ocean Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#32671: May 30th 2016 at 10:12:08 PM

idk id count fundamentally compromising the established purpose of a national icon for the narrative equivalent of clickbait a sloppy shitty twist

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#32672: May 30th 2016 at 10:24:39 PM

Super is also a national icon and them make him a nazi or comunist, that matter very little.

Anyway

I couple of page I said that if we compare homeworkd games to CG the comparation would be:

Garnet-Jasper: this is easy, both are fighter, the heaviest hitter and with complicate view of fusion

Peridot-Pearl: both are the techy guy of the trio and something have clashing view of the whole thing(Peridot utilitarian view something paralel Pearl duty based mentality) and both have somewhat unhealthy workship of someone(Yellow diamond/Rose quarz) finny thing is Peridot have made avance more quickly than Pearl.

And people ask why Amathys and Lapis consider they are diferent(once is big fun kind of chararter and the other is skinny and snarky) is because both have complicate story with homeworld and earth and dosent feel they belong to both, also they share the same flaw of being mean to quite vicious if they feel threated in anyway

edited 30th May '16 10:26:19 PM by unknowing

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InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#32673: May 30th 2016 at 10:27:06 PM

Oh for fuck's sake A. we've already resolved this shit B. for the thirteenth time, time will tell. The comic literally came out less than a week ago to my knowledge, we have no idea what this means or what it's for. If it's shitty clickbait, it's shitty clickbait, but don't pretend we can know how the story'll go just because we know that it won't last.

Anyways, back to Pink Diamond. Yay or Nay on seeing Pink Diamond interact with Steven?

EDIT: [up] I'd say that Amethyst might be more of a counter for Peridot than Pearl now that we know her better. Lapis is silly, but she's also got more of that "doesn't really get Earth things" that Pearl has a lot of the time, while Peridot catches on inhumanly fast to these sort of things.

edited 30th May '16 10:28:33 PM by InAnOdderWay

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True colors
#32674: May 30th 2016 at 10:28:59 PM

I follow the Pink Lion theory. So my idea is that he already has spent a lot of time with her.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#32675: May 30th 2016 at 10:33:57 PM

[up][up] Just to be clear, I wasn't acknowledging that it would later be retconned.

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