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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#31576: May 17th 2016 at 8:13:26 PM

She didn't really seem "that" out of it...her crack looked bad, but it never got any worse.

Amethyst's crack didn't affect her mentally either...

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SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#31577: May 17th 2016 at 8:17:58 PM

To be fair, Jasper didn't even fight until "Rose" showed up on the field. Garnet, Amethyst, and Pearl were deemed non-threats immediately, and she said "well, you don't need me." Doesn't sound like a bloodthirsty warrior to me.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#31578: May 17th 2016 at 8:19:43 PM

Yeah, panicking, taking the ocean and making a giant tower to try and reach a planet light years away from Earth isn't "out of it", yeah okay. Let's just ignore the constant Thousand-Yard Stare with her mirror eyes too, denoting that she's not all there.

edited 17th May '16 8:30:45 PM by xanderiskander

SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#31579: May 17th 2016 at 8:21:47 PM

She was "in it" enough to build the damn thing in the first place. Probably requires quite a bit of concentration. And focus to hold it up, too...

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#31580: May 17th 2016 at 8:22:45 PM

[up][up]She wanted to get home, mang. Rationality is non-existant when you've been trapped but still very much aware.

She couldn't use her Water Wings and she doesn't care about the Earth...

[up][up][up]You're ignoring something...but I don't know what.

edited 17th May '16 8:24:39 PM by randomness4

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honeyishrunkmyself Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#31581: May 17th 2016 at 8:27:11 PM

Amethyst's crack didn't affect her mentally either...

Yes it did, she was talking backwards.

That said i still hope that connie acknowledges the fact that she TRIED TO DROWN HER the next time she meets Lapis.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#31582: May 17th 2016 at 8:31:11 PM

She was talking backwards...she howled like a monkey.

It didn't affect her throught process, she was still able to think clearly.

She gave Steven the common sense idea that pain makes cry.

edited 17th May '16 8:31:42 PM by randomness4

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#31583: May 17th 2016 at 8:32:25 PM

That and ignoring that gem damage affects a gem mentally is ridiculous, when we have so many examples of corrupted, and clustered gems that show it.

[up]Amethysts injury was smaller so it affected her in smaller ways. That's still affecting her mentally. Affecting their ability to know how to speak, and control how your body moves is pretty much exactly that.

edited 17th May '16 8:36:42 PM by xanderiskander

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#31584: May 17th 2016 at 8:37:12 PM

Smaller ways? Her body became almost entirely useless.

She could still speak...just backwards.

It didn't make her lose control of her body either, it literally turned her body backwards.

edited 17th May '16 8:42:20 PM by randomness4

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#31585: May 17th 2016 at 8:39:46 PM

[up][up]It effected her in greater ways...her form was literally falling apart! She was chill af about it though. Oh, Amethyst.

That said i still hope that connie acknowledges the fact that she TRIED TO DROWN HER the next time she meets Lapis.
She broke Greg's leg, but I don't imagine he'll make a big fuss over it. He didn't much care when Peridot pushed him off the roof. [lol]

Loves feel-good animation a whole lot.
SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#31586: May 17th 2016 at 8:40:49 PM

@randomness what am I egnoring exactly? That's literally what hapoened.

Ship Lands. Jasper comes out. Sees Defective Pearl, Overcooked Runt, and Shameless Display. Decides that fighting them is a waste of time, if they're a problem just blast them.

I'd she were the Proud Warrior Race Guy / Blood Knight people are making her out to be, she'd have pounced on the three of them and shattered them all, but even then, all she does is destabilize Garnet and KO "Rose."

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#31587: May 17th 2016 at 8:44:35 PM

You're ignoring the mental torture from the Malachite situation.

Also how she reacted when she saw Steven during mental connection with Malachite.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#31588: May 17th 2016 at 8:45:57 PM

[up][up] Not necessarily. Lots of textbook Blood Knights would never do such a thing (Akuma, for example). There's enjoying a fight and then there's being carelessly impulsive.

Blood Knight isn't "character goes out of their way to fight everybody ever" it's "character who deeply, sometimes sadistically, enjoys fighting and violence and possibly also the destruction that results."

As for the argument that Lapis was mentally unsound when doing bad stuff, it sounds awfully tautological. "When Lapis did those things she wasn't herself, because look at the stuff that happened to her. And that stuff must have made her not herself, because look at the horrible stuff she did."

Or to put it another way, it feels like trying to prove that those things made her insane, with the presupposition that they must have made her insane in the first place.

edited 17th May '16 8:56:28 PM by KnownUnknown

GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#31590: May 17th 2016 at 8:57:48 PM

It's like no one understands hyperbole. Fine, it affected her mentally in "different" ways then, hair splitters.

[up][up]You're misunderstanding then. I don't she was crazy because of what she did. I'm saying she was crazy because her gem was cracked. Being trapped in the mirror, and isolated for years probably had something to do with it too.

[up] I didn't say what she did was right. The most I've said is that it's possible for people to sympathize with her circumstances.

People are perfectly fine with it, when it happens in other media. And IRL given that pleading insanity / incompetence is a thing.

edited 17th May '16 9:02:45 PM by xanderiskander

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#31591: May 17th 2016 at 9:00:57 PM

I just said wasn't acting rationally.

It was a dumb plan though...thinking she could "borrow" that water.

[up][up]It's perfectly okay to harm those people if they were keeping you prisoner...in a sense...not really.

edited 17th May '16 9:02:15 PM by randomness4

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GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#31592: May 17th 2016 at 9:02:18 PM

[up][up] "Justify" is the wrong term to describe Lapis's action. The term I believe your looking for is "understandable."

edited 17th May '16 9:03:38 PM by GarnetRebeller96

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#31593: May 17th 2016 at 9:02:58 PM

[up][up][up] But as has been noted, we have no reason to think her Gem being cracked had any effect on her mental state. When Amethyst's Gem was cracked, the only mental effect we ever see is her losing a few minutes of memory when she first starts going out of whack.

Corrupted gems, meanwhile, are insane but range between being cracked and being seemingly undamaged - so it's difficult to cite those as well.

We can't say that being trapped in the mirror and being cracked "probably" made her not herself, because we have no reason to make that assumption.

[down] She was talking backwards but otherwise perfectly in control of herself and her thoughts.

edited 17th May '16 9:04:51 PM by KnownUnknown

honeyishrunkmyself Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#31594: May 17th 2016 at 9:03:35 PM

what part of TALKING BACKWARDS doesn't mean mentally effected?

Also Lapis was stuck in there for YEARS possibly even centuries, being like that for that long would take an toil on someones mind. She didn't do it because she was evil.

Edit: [up] She was only cracked for an few hours, she probably would have gotten worse had she not been healed so fast

edited 17th May '16 9:06:16 PM by honeyishrunkmyself

AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Rock on, Gold Dust Woman
#31595: May 17th 2016 at 9:04:25 PM

New episode can't get here soon enough, it seems...

Have you any dreams you'd like to sell?
GarnetRebeller96 Since: Nov, 2015
#31596: May 17th 2016 at 9:06:09 PM

i can't wait to see what the show will do with Lapis. She been Put on a Bus for too long. And the bloody hiatus made it longer.

edited 17th May '16 9:07:26 PM by GarnetRebeller96

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#31597: May 17th 2016 at 9:06:24 PM

And Jasper never did anything due to being evil either, as has been directly stated by the crewniverse.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#31598: May 17th 2016 at 9:06:36 PM

Also Lapis was stuck in there for YEARS possibly even centuries, being like that for that long would take an toil on someones mind.

It could, but assuming it did is entirely conjectural. It's got no more weight than the fan theory that Rose decided to die and become Steven because she was atoning for something terrible she did in the past - there's nothing in the plot to suggest it, but it's popular because people decided that because it's plausible it must be true.

Lapis being not herself also lacks weight because those first two episodes are Lapis' introduction, the points where Steven and the audience connect with her and learn about who she is and what she wants.

Beyond those two episodes, we know nothing about her - about as little as we do Jasper. So even if we assume those moments we saw were in some way not really who she was, we still don't know who that hypothetical person she was twisted from being is anyway.

edited 17th May '16 9:09:26 PM by KnownUnknown

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#31599: May 17th 2016 at 9:06:36 PM

@Garnet Rebeller 96: "Justify" was your wording anyway, mate. Not mine.

[up][up] You can do something thinking you have good intentions, and still not be a "good" aligned person. See: Knight Templar, Well-Intentioned Extremist, The Social Darwinist

edited 17th May '16 9:09:02 PM by xanderiskander

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#31600: May 17th 2016 at 9:06:42 PM

[up]x7 I'm not really sure talking backwards means mentally affected if she can still understand herself and has to force herself mentally to actually talk backwards so that she can sound normal for everyone else.

edited 17th May '16 9:08:11 PM by randomness4

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