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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#31251: May 13th 2016 at 6:39:05 PM

She accepted the idea to fuse in order to crush the Crystal Gems from the moment she emerged from the crashed ship rubble.

She hated being trapped in a fusion by Lapis not being able to actually use that power. So that was nothing but mental suffering of not being in control of a shared body.

Yet still calls it an abomination.

edited 13th May '16 6:40:44 PM by randomness4

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InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#31252: May 13th 2016 at 6:47:21 PM

[up] But exactly. Jasper knows that fusion can grant her strength, she likes having strength. But she still sees fusion as bad and wrong despite knowing its tactical advantage.

FawfulCrump Since: Dec, 2010
#31253: May 13th 2016 at 6:51:36 PM

Saw this on the recap page:

Word of God says Peridot is only four years old.

Anyone have a link to where the Crewniverse confirmed this?

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#31255: May 13th 2016 at 7:09:54 PM

Same.

It's been so long since Jasper had any speaking lines I was kind of surprised to hear her. I mean, aside from "youyouyouyou!" we've not heard anything from her in slightly more than a year.

I'm so happy Lapis is back. I miss Water Rock and now that we can have slice of life with the Crystal Gems plus Peridot and Lapis, this can only lead to greatness.

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#31256: May 13th 2016 at 7:12:11 PM

I want to see Jasper get development too but I don't necessarily want that to be redemption. Not that I'd mind her being a Token Evil Teammate or something along those lines, but I think it would be interesting for Steven to go up against someone he can't win over with love and friendship like lycropath said, but that this shouldn't stop him from always trying.

That might be a bit cynical for this show though, and I'm sure the Crewniverse has something great planned regardless.

edited 13th May '16 7:14:00 PM by wehrmacht

smokeycut Since: Mar, 2013
#31257: May 13th 2016 at 7:17:39 PM

Yeah, I'm pretty sure someone on the crew said something about none of the characters on the show being evil or beyond redemption.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#31258: May 13th 2016 at 7:17:41 PM

The bright side to that cynical viewpoint is that he doesn't stop trying in general.

If coming to the realization that he can't change everyone or just one person causes him to just give up, that'd be the real cynical thing...it'd also be extremely naively selfish, eh?

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wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#31259: May 13th 2016 at 7:22:47 PM

[up]I'm fairly sure that if this show decided to go in that direction, Steven would eventually reach that first conclusion, because this is still an idealistic show overall. It has never been wrong of him to extend people warmth, love, and trust, and it won't suddenly be wrong if one person out of the several he's interacted with aren't won over.

In all honesty though, I'm completely fine with Steven's All-Loving Hero status being the thing that actually solves conflicts. It's very idealistic but I feel like this show is both genuine enough and has the right amount of bleakness for that to be a boon rather than a detriment.

edited 13th May '16 7:23:16 PM by wehrmacht

SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#31260: May 13th 2016 at 7:24:29 PM

The problem with redemption, and this is seen in a lot of fiction even outside of the optimistic Steven Universe, is that their previous actions are not undone. You can feel bad about your actions and want to do better, but you still did them. When does mercy come at the expense of justice? When should you face the consequences? This applies to the Diamonds in particular.

As for Jasper, if she is being redeemed the biggest hurdle would be how they handle her relationship with Lapis. Especially since it can be read as a toxic or abusive one.

edited 13th May '16 7:25:05 PM by SilentColossus

Keybreak (Long Runner)
#31261: May 13th 2016 at 7:28:19 PM

Finally watched the season premiere. 'Really late.

So I thought that after Steven bubbled the Cluster he was going to warp it to the temple. That giant ball of gem just floating in the middle of those other shards like a star in the middle of a solar system. Pity he didn't...

Well now they've got Lapis and Jasper's fallen into a crevice. Half cool. And according to those I-don't-even-know-if-they're-leaks-anymore, Lazuli's going to move into the barn with Peridot. That'll be fun.

You gotta believe me when I scare you away, all that I wish for is that you would stay
wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#31262: May 13th 2016 at 7:29:28 PM

Generally speaking, the scenario that would make most sense to me is that Lapis and Jasper don't necessarily get over the bitter feelings that came from the whole ordeal, but acknowledge that they have a mutual goal so they tolerate one another. They don't become friends at all but are capable of working together if they absolutely have to.

Collen the cutest lizard from it is a mystery Since: Dec, 2010
the cutest lizard
#31263: May 13th 2016 at 7:34:25 PM

Peridot's "just being on a ship with Jasper made me tired" comment makes me really want to see her and Lapis shit-talking Jasper together.

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ScottPilgrim2013 Why aren't you laughing? from Arkham Asylum Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Waiting for Prince Charming
Why aren't you laughing?
#31264: May 13th 2016 at 7:35:55 PM

[up]I'd love if in the middle of them talking bad about her, she slowly comes up behind the two with a look of "I'm about to decimate you two bastards into crystal dust" on her face.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#31265: May 13th 2016 at 7:43:13 PM

The way I see it, if a person feels sincere regret for their actions and is unlikely to do them again, any further punishment isn't justice, but simply pointless vengeance. But that's just a personal philosophy.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#31266: May 13th 2016 at 7:46:20 PM

Jasper can be like Amethyst, "scrappy"...

Take the brunt of comedic violence, that tends to be the case most of the time anyway for reformed characters.

edited 13th May '16 7:46:59 PM by randomness4

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#31267: May 13th 2016 at 7:49:51 PM

I was just thinking:

I'm really disappointed that the Amethyst, Princess of Gemworld shorts never became a full show. Not only were they the best shorts on DC Nation, but the Steven Universe crossovers practically write themselves!

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xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#31268: May 13th 2016 at 8:00:09 PM

Uh... not really? The only thing really linking them is it's use of gemstones. The main character was only a hero inside the video game world.

Also I'm pretty sure one of the crew replied to a tweet saying that Peridot is a grown gem, and Steven's a kid. So I highly doubt her being 4 is word of god.

edited 13th May '16 8:15:46 PM by xanderiskander

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Nyanpasu~
#31270: May 13th 2016 at 8:25:20 PM

It probably takes more than four years to become a certified kindergartener.

More like 5. tongue

Loves feel-good animation a whole lot.
Odd1 Still just awesome like that from Nowhere Land Since: Sep, 2013 Relationship Status: And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Still just awesome like that
#31271: May 13th 2016 at 8:37:54 PM

She'd hate the idea of fusion, not the Ocean.
I was gonna say, going off of psychology, the pairing of her horrific experience and the ocean could have caused a negative association between the ocean and her ordeal thus causing her to think of it whenever she's near an ocean...but that official preview clip pretty much jossed that idea off the bat.

Not that I'd mind her being a Token Evil Teammate or something along those lines
Now I feel like it'd be an interesting thing to have Jasper as the Vegeta of this series [lol] She already shares a ton of the same traits as him! Though she can go Super Saiyan a lot more easily.

The way I see it, if a person feels sincere regret for their actions and is unlikely to do them again, any further punishment isn't justice, but simply pointless vengeance. But that's just a personal philosophy.
Same here.

Insert witty 'n clever quip here.
wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
SilentColossus (Don’t ask)
#31273: May 13th 2016 at 9:01:00 PM

See, feeling remorse is good, but that doesn't mean you escape consequence for your actions. The Diamonds have most likely committed genocide more than once, destroyed countless planets, broken thousands of Gems for breaking bigoted laws, enslavement, and forced fusion. Them getting away with it is pretty much a slap to their victims. Now I'm not saying they should be tormented or even killed. But there must be consequence.

Mercy and forgiveness are wonderful things, as is finding goodness in people. But there is a fine line between that and "you don't face the consequences so long as you feel bad."

edited 13th May '16 9:01:18 PM by SilentColossus

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#31274: May 13th 2016 at 9:42:58 PM

I just can't see Jasper softening up to anybody, least of all Steven. If anything the experience here has made her more vengeful, not less.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#31275: May 13th 2016 at 9:47:29 PM

I feel the same way...in a way.

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