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AdricDePsycho Rock on, Gold Dust Woman from Never Going Back Again Since: Oct, 2014 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#30501: Apr 30th 2016 at 5:36:18 PM

I think that's a dirty joke.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
Mr. Clueless
#30502: Apr 30th 2016 at 7:04:02 PM

I'm reading the comments to that article and it seems like Steven Universe is the only well-written children's show that any of them have ever watched. Then again, I consider myself pretty laid back compared to most Tumblr users.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#30503: Apr 30th 2016 at 7:11:34 PM

I also read the comments on that article, and there were comments that mentioned plenty of others - Avatar: The Last Airbender, Legend of Korra and Young Justice were all mentioned, among others.

edited 30th Apr '16 7:11:48 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#30504: Apr 30th 2016 at 7:35:36 PM

As much as SU gets thrown around as a great example just a bit too many times, it's true none the less that a kids cartoon has more sophisticated relationships than a gritty adult show with sex and vilence with episodes four times its length.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#30505: Apr 30th 2016 at 7:54:41 PM

That's an overstatement, it's only 24 minutes.

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#30506: Apr 30th 2016 at 7:58:50 PM

The character relationships are more detailed partially because the cast is way smaller and stays in one place.

with episodes four times its length.
That take three-and-a-half times as long to make. Episode length barely means anything.

That's an overstatement, it's only 24 minutes.
The comparison was Steven Universe (quarter-hour) and Games of Thrones (one hour). Technically "four times" is an understatement in terms of actual screentime because Game of Thrones is an hour with commercials.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#30507: Apr 30th 2016 at 8:13:03 PM

They can't develop those relationships because of the travelling, that's just real.

[up]If it wasn't for the word "gritty" I probably should have guessed.

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InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#30508: Apr 30th 2016 at 8:19:15 PM

I'm going to get a bit salt here for a moment, because this conversation popped up on Reddit as well.

Actually, I'm just going to copypaste what I said there:

Art communicates. Ideas, emotions, views, you name it. It can show us the best and the worst, the surreal and the mundane, and it can mix and match and contrast and mesh then like shades of paint on a canvas.

I hate this idea that because SU can handle serious topics without becoming dark in tone it's inherently superior and more mature than works that handle serious topics with all the whimsy and fun of Christian Bale's Batman voice. I hate it just as much as I do the reverse sentiment.

Art is art, and different forms can cover the same topics in different ways to bring about different messages to hit different people. In the same way that a lot of us here would have never been forced to confront, or been able to find comfort in, the subjects SU covers if it hadn't been for the show's trademark humor and charm, there's a lot of people who would have never been able to do the same if they hadn't been drawn in by the realism, drama, and scale of a work like GoT. And are those people any the lesser for it? GoT has flaws, plenty, but "being dark" isn't one of them.

Tl;dr: Cut the petty fandom wars bullshit, it's making us look bad.

EDIT: That being said, I'm not exactly the most knowledgeable about the current state of Game of Thrones. From what I can tell some recent move in the show somehow furthered the divide between book readers and show watchers. In any case, this petty "our show is better than your show" is a really bad move coming from the fanbase promoting peace and love on the planet Earth.

edited 30th Apr '16 8:21:38 PM by InAnOdderWay

thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#30509: Apr 30th 2016 at 8:27:22 PM

Even putting aside tone and audience, when two shows are so radically different in terms of format, setting, and plot progression, trying to compare the writing—especially in terms of relative quality—is not going to produce much meaningful discussion.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#30510: Apr 30th 2016 at 9:24:56 PM

[up][up] If you'd read the article, you'd see that the author's problem with Go T isn't that it's dark, but rather inconsistent characterization that ends up making things a mess - among other things.

edited 30th Apr '16 9:26:15 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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thatother1dude from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001
#30511: Apr 30th 2016 at 9:29:21 PM

[up]I don't think the comment was directed at that article.

If the point was just criticizing the show for its own problems, what does any of this have to do with Steven Universe? That it's better than this other things that's popular?

edited 30th Apr '16 9:33:44 PM by thatother1dude

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#30512: Apr 30th 2016 at 9:33:13 PM

[up] If it wasn't, then who was it directed at? Because I don't think anyone was espousing the sentiment that Go T is bad because it's dark.

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wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#30513: Apr 30th 2016 at 9:37:24 PM

Even putting aside tone and audience, when two shows are so radically different in terms of format, setting, and plot progression, trying to compare the writing—especially in terms of relative quality—is not going to produce much meaningful discussion.

Basically my opinion.

Comparing SU to Go T seems utterly pointless to me.

[up] It seemed to be a general comment about responses to the article from the SU fanbase.

edited 30th Apr '16 9:43:29 PM by wehrmacht

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#30514: Apr 30th 2016 at 9:43:38 PM

[up] I don't think any of that prevents a comparison of how the two shows handle characterization.

Edit: If no one here's doing it, then why is it posted here?

edited 30th Apr '16 9:44:23 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#30515: Apr 30th 2016 at 10:06:08 PM

Edit: If no one here's doing it, then why is it posted here?

It's fine to talk about popular reception of something as long as you aren't importing drama.

Anyways:

I don't watch the Go T show, so I don't really have much of substance to offer in terms of addressing the more specific comparisons the article is making, and frankly I wouldn't do so anyways because it'd probably just devolve into arguments better suited in the Go T thread.

Regardless, you might be able to make comparisons between two very different things but you have to be kind of careful about how you do it. It's fine for the author to have an opinion obviously but I feel that the article's author is a bit too inflammatory and that it's not necessarily conducive to meaningful discussion. Sure I agree SU is a super high quality show but I'd be hesitant or at least very careful about calling any one show "the smartest on television".

edited 30th Apr '16 10:23:32 PM by wehrmacht

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#30516: Apr 30th 2016 at 10:14:35 PM

It's less anti darkness and more GoT just throwing in a lot of gratuitous rape and death and calling it darkness and intelligence and drama when it's really rather shallow.

Oh really when?
FawfulCrump Since: Dec, 2010
#30517: Apr 30th 2016 at 10:22:11 PM

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edited 30th Apr '16 10:35:45 PM by FawfulCrump

wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#30518: Apr 30th 2016 at 10:23:08 PM

Wasn't just talking about Go T. It feels like a lot of the western cartoons fandom are so caught up in championing the merits of children's media that they forget that having stuff like sexuality, violence and death can be benefits to a show rather than just a detriment or something you tolerate. In fairness, a lot of this comes from having to deal with adult cartoons mostly being shock value comedies that abuse their status as "adult" without bringing enough to the table, so I guess I can't really blame them too much.

[up] That's fair. I'll edit that out.

edited 30th Apr '16 10:24:09 PM by wehrmacht

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#30520: Apr 30th 2016 at 10:28:16 PM

That was really what I was trying to get at, apologies if I stirred up anything.

SU is great not just because of its frightening, sad, and surprising content, but the wealth of warmth it generates in spite of that. There can be no darkness without light to.

I was trying to say that tone and length aside, Go T for all its high praise, critical attention, and massive budget with a cast of talented actors hasn't matched the complexity of relationships in a cartoon that is much more restricted in its content, particularly in the fifth season.

But at risk of going somewhere I'd rather not, I've made my point and have little else to say on the subject.

In brighter words, two more weeks, guys!

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#30521: Apr 30th 2016 at 10:29:54 PM

Might as well be one week at this point.

But yeah.

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LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#30522: Apr 30th 2016 at 10:36:53 PM

And it's not that you can't have deep and complex plots and characters amid lots of adult themes like sexuality and murder and so on. The books that GoT prove that easily. It's that far too often they just toss in a rape and some child killing into a show and market it at this barrier breaking and intelligence drama with "realism" and so on.

Oh really when?
wehrmacht belongs to the hurricane from the garden of everything Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
belongs to the hurricane
#30523: Apr 30th 2016 at 10:38:36 PM

I'm excited to finally get a closure on the Malachite storyline since that's been a plot thread I've been waiting on for like what, a year?

I think there might be some merit to the idea that the cluster is alive somehow. The "what you really are" reverb certainly felt ominous to me as well, but we'll see if that's what they were going for soon enough I guess.

edited 30th Apr '16 10:41:22 PM by wehrmacht

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#30524: Apr 30th 2016 at 10:39:09 PM

I miss Lapis. And Jasper.

I hope they're ok.

Oh really when?
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#30525: Apr 30th 2016 at 10:41:00 PM

They're both in an unstable mental state.

Depression and Apathy is the only thing that keeps Lapis sane.

Jasper will let it be fuel to her fire and this creates the perfect compromise.

edited 30th Apr '16 10:42:01 PM by randomness4

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