Steven Universe

I watched the first half-hour of it. The video is basically deconstructing or debunking the claims Lily made in her video, while being a lot more neutral about it. The clips used from her video are even cited.

Also I never saw Lily's video. Does she really complain about Steven turning into an adult in "So Many Birthdays" not being how puberty works when it is literally shown in the episode that it's his gem reacting to his conflict with maturity???

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You know that Lily Orchard "critique" video that goes around every so often? It's like two hours of ranting against the show and Rebecca Sugar in particular, and it's very heated and aggressive. The above video is a response to it, showing how almost all of her arguments are cherry-picked and contradicted by other examples.

I don't know that video, but I get enough of the gist to know it's something I'd likely avoid like the plague if I did see it somewhere

Edited by sgamer82 on Sep 13th 2019 at 2:34:35 AM

I see Rose's (lack of) thoughts on Spinel even up to her death as less a reflection of her character by that point (not that she was great even then), and more exploring how, even if you become more aware of when you hurt others, you may still never realized the bad things that you've done on your own.

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Referring back to that AV Club article again, there's some interesting things about Steg:

It's amusing how close people were when guessing a Steven/Greg would be called something like "Multi-verse".

Also, this:

That's what I figured from a few things, like how they cut out a scene with Vidalia in it or how Steven just buys regular fries without comment.

It's amusing to try to interpret the characters, especially the secondary ones, just from the movie. You'd probably guess Lars was an alien, Sadie only knows Steven as her manager's son, and Greg was a multi-industry entrepreneur.

We don't know that Pink/Rose never gave Spinel another thought after that. For all we know, she could have after she began to have some character growth, it's just what the hell could she have done about it?

She couldn't bring Spinel back without exposing her secret to Garnet and Amethyst, and that's assuming the Warp Pad could go to the garden then at all. We could argue it could since that's how Spinel got Steven there, but unless I'm mistaken that same Warp Pad couldn't have gone from Earth to Homeworld at the start of the series, either. They had a specific Warp Pad for that and the Crystal Gems made it a point to keep it damaged.

At that point, she's prioritizing keeping her secret and Garnet and Amethyst's esteem over making up for the wrongs she wronged.

Its like with Bismuth. After the war was over, what was the reason to keep her locked away forever? Because people would think less of her?

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I'm not questioning Rose's keeping things secret, just that, as far as I can tell, it wouldn't have made a practical difference if she had said something. Also my initial point is we don't know for a fact that Rose didn't think about Spinel, precisely because keeping secrets was kind of her whole Thing.

It's possible that Rose thought Spinel would have left by then as well and didn't expect her to literally sit there for thousands of years waiting for her to come back.

Not that it makes it less shitty that she left in the first place.

I wonder if Pink / Rose could have come back for Spinel at any point. Weren't the Crystal Gems super paranoid about doing anything that could allow Homeworld's attention, hence only using the warps that went to Earth itself and destroying the others?

Like, I don't think Pink would have given a crap about Spinel when she first got the colony. She might have started thinking about her after her revelations about the classes and the unfairness of gems' restrictive roles and such. And afrerwards, after it was all over and she spent literally ages wallowing in regret and forced secrets, it's possible that she did think about her more - but just couldn't do anything about it.

Then again, it's just as possible that even after coming to know Garnet and realizing Pearl deserves her own identity and such, she still thought of Spinel as a childish toy. We'll never really know.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 14th 2019 at 10:08:20 AM

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That actually makes me wonder, did a lot of people who are completely unfamiliar with Steven Universe tune in to watch the movie? And were those that did able to follow along okay?

This Joe Johnston art of Steven fighting Spinel is supposedly based on a Sonic comic page (I assume Archie Comics' Sonic the Hedgehog). Could someone link to the page it's based on? It looks familiar but I can't find it.

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Mr. Multiverse is such a better name than "Steg."

My various fanfics.

Steg fits the Stevonnie pattern. But if you believe hard enough the full name could be Steg Multiverse.

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That reminds me, we haven't seen any Peridot or Bismuth fusions (or a more consenting fusion with Lapis) yet, have we?

No.

Because those are teh only reason the show's still going, right?

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Lion's chest.

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I just thought of something: there was a time machine way back in season one. Given how important past events are, it feels weird that the time machine wasn't more important.

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I think that was a definite case of Early-Installment Weirdness.

Well, if things weren't connected...it would've been.

But they destroyed it, so can exist with no questions asked.

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I just had a thought. Was Spinel's "ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha ha, HA HA HA HAHA!!!" from the first trailer actually in the movie? I don't think I remember hearing it.

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I believe that her trailer laugh is when she gets scythed.

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No, that's a different one. That one's from the original teaser, now that I think about it, which is creepily strange since they used that as our first introduction to her.

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The squeaky laugh doesn't appear in the movie.

Nor does the laugh you're talking about.

It's the regular Spinel's laugh, but she doesn't laugh that much.

Edited by randomness4 on Sep 15th 2019 at 10:55:06 AM

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I'm surprised at the 'how could pink diamond abandon Spinel??' Reactions somewhat because when I was watching the movie with my sister and her friends, one of them spoiled her reveal in the beginning so their general reaction to Spinel and all her antics were "Man, I'd abandon her too." I've also been a witness of someone close to me trying to use studying for his masters as a way to run away from his then girlfriend (though we managed to convince him to not do that)

Its scummy sure, but I also find it easy to understand. And really, after poofing Bismuth and not telling any of her closest allies about it, her not going back for Spinel because of the likely hood of it exposing her (maybe to even the home world) seems pretty understandable, I can't really find myself thinking worse of her for it.

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