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#58751: Aug 27th 2019 at 5:53:01 PM

Ian-Jones Quartey posted some very early production paper, including notes of them figuring out what gems are.

There are two things that are different:

  • Amethyst fought in the rebellion, instead of joining the group after.
  • The origin for the Crystal Gems' name: In this outline, the name was originally meant as an insult calling them fake or fragile. In the show, the names meaning isn't made explicit, but most likely comes from Earth being in what Homeworld calls the Crystal System.

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#58752: Aug 27th 2019 at 5:54:33 PM

maybe Garnet has more trouble with people close to her because her own future actions throw her off somehow? like, if she had to choose between saving Steven's life or saving a large number of other lives, she may genuinely be unable to foresee her own decision, because it would be so difficult for her to make.

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#58753: Aug 27th 2019 at 5:57:18 PM

Garnet is always reactive unless there's like a Diamond, that's not possible...

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#58754: Aug 27th 2019 at 10:16:01 PM

Kind of a less important question but how does money work with the gems? We have seen them do things that cost money, so they do know what money is. I mean, Amethyst had her wrestling gig which probably gave her some cash (though that's done), and there's the possibility that Greg gives Steven some money, but how else do they make enough money to have food or electricity or anything else?

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#58755: Aug 27th 2019 at 10:18:37 PM

It helps that the Gems don't have the same needs as humans. Amethyst is the only one who eats regularly, and she doesn't need to do it.

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#58756: Aug 27th 2019 at 10:21:15 PM

they have a temple full of junk, there's probably a cache of cash in there somewhere.

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#58757: Aug 27th 2019 at 10:29:37 PM

Pretty sure the Crewniverse (is that what they're called?) has said that Greg pays for most of the stuff that costs money. At least for Steven, anyway.

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#58758: Aug 28th 2019 at 12:27:41 AM

[up] Yeah, it's "Crewniverse". Speaking of, it's interesting that that old outline mentions her healing powers alongside her shield when talking about the end of the war — I wonder if Garnet, Amethyst and Pearl were originally supposed to have been (at least partially) hit by the blast, but Rose was able to save them before they Corrupted fully.

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#58759: Aug 28th 2019 at 1:08:11 PM

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I will not!

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#58760: Aug 28th 2019 at 1:22:57 PM

[up][up]What's worth wondering...

Of course they were suppose to be corrupted.

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#58761: Aug 28th 2019 at 6:38:52 PM

Rewatch, Day 41

    Can't Go Back 
  • Peridot stopped using the comforter while sleeping in the tub.
  • Peridot is sleeping because it's nighttime, not just because she's miserable. Does she sleep regularly and at that time?
  • Ronaldo's got such a big mouth, you can see it from behind, like he's from Crayon Shin-chan.
  • The moon base is easy to see with a telescope—and would be with modern high-power telescopes, even if the optics were more realistic. One assumes human astronomers know it's there, and just don't care. It's funny to consider when a bunch of viewers figured its location was a secret Pearl only knew from working there.
  • Is that grass frozen or just dusty?
  • This is third time a character hummed a song we'd hear in full later in the episode (the first two were "Steven and the Stevens" and "Stronger Than You").
  • Ironic that after all the noise in a vacuum, the orb shows us a quiet Earth.
  • "I got just outside the Milky Way, and I... felt so lonely." Yes, Lapis can't just go to other galaxies within months, she can bring huge objects there. Jeez, were Lapis Lazulis just moving huge masses between planets?
  • The orb sure knows when to glitch for dramatic effect.
  • "When you go back, we should all hang out more." "Hmmm... when... I go back." Steven's getting a little innocently presumptuous.
  • "First, there were too many organics, then their cities were too difficult to dismantle." That's the only mention of gems directly accosting humans on a massive scale. I'm very curious what is meant by "dismantle" (sabotaging attempts at large society or just whole-sale destruction), or why Homeworld would care when their terraforming would make Earth humanly uninhabitable before any of them understood what was going on.
  • I noticed the intro for "Do It For Her" when Pearl in silhouette draws the sword.
  • In hindsight, what is actually happening with Pearl in the flashback/memory? Why is she drawing the sword?
  • Steven maybe should have asked how Pink could remember her assistant secretly plotting to betray her.
  • Again, Amazon video skips the credits.
  • I sort of wish this episode and the next aired a day apart. That way people could dwell on the last few hints (like said "memory" issue) and the stuff about Lapis could get proper discussion before being buried under everything else.

    A Single, Pale Rose 
  • Amethyst can work the primary functions of a cellphone and has a bunch of cases. I don't remember her ever using one before.
  • Steven really can't take a hint that Pearl physically can't talk.
  • "Steven, I didn't send that." Pearl only catches on when she gets the Rose of Sharon text. It's easy to overlook with other things, but this episode basically implies the Pearls inside Pearl's pearl are literally-existent beings capable of acting and learning independently. (I sort of feel like making a character entry on the "Other" page about them, since they're distinct "characters" about as much as Rose's Room or Holo-Pearl are.)
  • Speaking of which, there actually is a hibiscus emoji.
  • Pearl's got a nice wad of cash up in her gem. Did she earn (or "earn") it herself, or is that from Greg?
  • Re: the crap in Pearl's pearl:
    • I still find it very amusing that Pearl owns as double-barrel shotgun. Maybe she and Vidalia can go shoot clays sometime.
    • Pearl actually did have a cellphone already, but it appears to be decades old.
    • The area codes are more 301 and some 204. Again, that's in Maryland, but not the same part of Maryland.
    • Cream, chicken wing, chicken taco? Why does Pearl have food in there?
    • "Oh, it's a cellular phone! I must have put it under C." See, this is why real people don't generally alphabetize things unless there's a single name/title they'd always be call by.
    • Pearl can clearly distort the sizes of objects she stores—the cannon looks the same size as the single piece of candy.
  • "I am very good at compartmentalizing things. That's why I get to be surface, and they have to be put away." Must kind of suck to be those "other" Pearls.
  • Pearl had her old outfit even during Rose's pregnancy, but by the next winter she got the one she'd have for the next twelve years.
  • "Better not turn out her phone was in her pocket." What pockets?
  • The music that plays right after Pink shows herself (specifically the piano swell about halfway in) gives me a Pavlovian reaction of "What the hell is happening!?"
  • Can't find a screenshot, but the rapidfire montage at the end has Garnet feeling Rose's pregnant belly.

    Now We're Only Falling Apart 
  • It's hard to remember there was an offscreen break between episodes, mostly because the preview during the previous episode's credits cut straight to Sapphire running away (and seem bizarrely fast because they cut out Steven slipping on ice).
  • "Pink Diamond's final command to me was that no one could know, but now that Steven does, I can finally tell you all everything!" They don't really explain why that is at all.
  • It's great how much Amethyst only reacts about as much as the average viewer ("If you told me Rose invented cotton candy, I'd believe it!") Though as the next episode shows, she's maybe understating her reaction for Steven's sake.
  • "Maybe she's here." This just made me realize how quickly they seemed to have found Sapphire, but presumably searched a lot of other places offscreen.
  • Sapphire sent huge spikes of ice shooting out of the ground. Her ice powers would presumably be very powerful if she learned to use them, though obviously if a fight is brewing she'd much rather fight as Garnet.
  • "I was given to Pink Diamond a few thousand years before she was given the Earth." That's quite a lot of awkward silence.
  • Pearl channels the hologram through her body and out of her head, but it seems to have given her a headache.
  • "Hurry, we've got to see this! Quickly, turn it on." Does Pink know how to operate any of her own equipment?
  • It's curious how the other Amethysts seem to possess general knowledge of gemkind, and that "Our orders were to move out as you emerged!", but Amethyst didn't know any of that.
  • Were Pink and Pearl only exploring around the Kindergarten, by foot? That might explain why they put the temple so close by.
  • Rose sounds kinda valley-girl when going on about how "I've only ever heard that it's unheard of.", which is an especially funny contrast to how she speaks to Garnet a minute later.

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#58762: Aug 28th 2019 at 6:43:48 PM

"Pink Diamond's final command to me was that no one could know, but now that Steven does, I can finally tell you all everything!" They don't really explain why that is at all.
Immediate thought/theory: Steven, technically being Pink Diamond, can countermand the order, but only now that he knows there's an order to countermand.

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#58763: Aug 28th 2019 at 6:45:59 PM

Steven's getting a little innocently presumptuous.

After what we saw him pull in Mr Greg, I like to assume that in these kinds of moments he's actually just pretending to be innocent when he's really trying to manipulate people.

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#58764: Aug 28th 2019 at 6:49:24 PM

Kat Morris gives a someone worrying warning about spoiler. She's indicating that even some official press releases coming out before the movie could have spoilers.

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#58765: Aug 28th 2019 at 6:49:47 PM

[up][up]Siggggggggggggggghh... What did we saw him pull?

Edited by AegisP on Aug 28th 2019 at 6:50:00 AM

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#58766: Aug 28th 2019 at 6:57:01 PM

I sometimes wonder if part of why Pearl was so devoted to Rose and tried so hard to make her happy was because she was a replacement for Pink Pearl.

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#58767: Aug 28th 2019 at 6:58:48 PM

[up][up]He set up the entire trip with the intention of forcing Pearl and Greg to confront the issues between them and make up. From making sure it was only them going on the field trip, to repeatedly "innocently" mentioning and bringing up Rose just to make sure she's on both of their minds. In the end, it was good for both of them to move on, but Steven totally manipulated them into that situation.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Aug 28th 2019 at 6:59:53 AM

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#58768: Aug 28th 2019 at 6:59:08 PM

[up][up][up] Purposefully got Greg and Pearl to think about Rose so they could finally hash out their differences and bury the hatchet.

[up] Steven is surprisingly great at emotional manipulation. Shame he doesn't use it more often.


In hindsight, what is actually happening with Pearl in the flashback/memory? Why is she drawing the sword?
She was pulling it out in preparation of their plan?

The area codes are more 301 and some 204. Again, that's in Maryland, but not the same part of Maryland.
One of the notes also has a Gmail address.

Can't find a screenshot, but the rapidfire montage at the end has Garnet feeling Rose's pregnant belly.
You mean Pearl?

Pearl channels the hologram through her body and out of her head, but it seems to have given her a headache.
Pearl was woozy 'cause Pink spooked her out of it.

Edited by Crossover-Enthusiast on Aug 28th 2019 at 10:04:03 AM

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#58769: Aug 28th 2019 at 7:10:55 PM

I like to assume that in these kinds of moments he's actually just pretending to be innocent when he's really trying to manipulate people.
I think Steven was simply misspeaking in this instance, as he was almost asleep and talking as if he'd already convinced Lapis wouldn't do him any favors—he was kind of lucky she took the "when" comment so well.

You mean Pearl?
That isn't what I meant, but only because I misremembered. It was Pearl, who was of course frowning.

Edited by thatother1dude on Aug 28th 2019 at 9:35:07 AM

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#58770: Aug 28th 2019 at 7:28:00 PM

[up]Ah, right, forgot he was almost asleep. Yeah, he was probably just misspeaking there.

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#58771: Aug 29th 2019 at 6:28:09 AM

> Steven is surprisingly great at emotional manipulation. Shame he doesn't use it more often.

he doesn't do more often cos its baaad thing to do and he likely knows it,its not something you want to make a habit out of

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#58772: Aug 29th 2019 at 6:32:27 AM

i wonder if that's something he inherited from Rose.

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#58773: Aug 29th 2019 at 7:30:59 AM

Rose wasn’t thoughtful enough to be manipulative.

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#58774: Aug 29th 2019 at 1:41:41 PM

CN uploaded a short clip from the movie.

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#58775: Aug 29th 2019 at 1:42:54 PM

[up]shouldn't that be in the Spoilers thread?

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