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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#57576: Jan 11th 2019 at 6:24:06 PM

If this was meant to be the grand finale originally, I wonder just how many plot threads will be tied up? Obviously curing the corrupted gems will not be one of them. I just wonder if any new, completely unexpected threads will be introduced - what could be more off the walls than the Pink Diamond reveal? The origin of White Diamond?

One possibility is the oft-cited "Gems were AI/artificial lifeforms" theory being true and the Gems' creators returning.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#57577: Jan 11th 2019 at 7:09:46 PM

That's been my own off-and-on theory: A Servant Race that outlived their masters.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#57578: Jan 11th 2019 at 7:22:57 PM

[up] Or Turned Against Their Masters; there'd be a certain irony if White Diamond rebelled against her creators, only to have her creations turn against her in turn.

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#57579: Jan 11th 2019 at 7:31:59 PM

I'd prefer if White Diamond's origin/nature remained vague, and we just learn (as much as we can) about why she created the other gems.

M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#57580: Jan 11th 2019 at 7:40:20 PM

My headcanon is that White Diamond is or was a Genius Loci of a dead world. She's been reduced to a planetary parasite who moves on to other worlds and sucks them dry. Homeworld isn't actually her true homeworld but merely her latest victim.

At some point she got tired of doing all of this by herself and created the other Diamonds (who would then create other Gems).

If this reminds you a bit of Ego the Living Planet...it should.

Edited by M84 on Jan 11th 2019 at 11:41:18 PM

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thatother1dude Ready to see true darkness from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#57581: Jan 11th 2019 at 10:06:09 PM

He's a non-plot thing to speculate about: Will "Battle of Heart and Mind" end with an Iris Out?

The show's largely phased them out this season, and tended to use a Smash to Black even for episodes that end of a gentle note (like "What's Your Problem" or "Made of Honor"). But then "Lars' Head" brought it back after eight episodes in a row without, so it might be used if the last scene is more of a breaking point.

They actually did use it for every season finale so far but the fourth, which was an entirely serious Cliffhanger. (P.S. I noticed the iris in "Mirror Gem" changes to a flashing diamond at the last season.)

Edited by thatother1dude on Jan 11th 2019 at 12:06:30 PM

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#57582: Jan 12th 2019 at 4:35:42 AM

> If this reminds you a bit of Ego the Living Planet...it should.

I'm reminded of Brainac absorbs things as data and has loads of different drones running about

Wouldn't surprise me if the origin story for the Gem race as whole involved them being one gigantic being that was spilt apart and has harvesting planets in the hope of rebuilding itself.

Edited by Ultimatum on Jan 12th 2019 at 1:37:12 PM

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ObligatorySarcasm Since: Aug, 2016
#57583: Jan 12th 2019 at 6:34:41 AM

I hope they don't add another enemy source, like the gems were building conquests and geoweapons to fight off this bigger bad. This late in the game to introduce and defeat someone completely new wouldn't be satisfactory of an ending as we then try to figure out THEIR backstory or we don't connect to them because of how sudden it is. Its a mystery enough with the gems. Don't Kuja/Necron us.

Edited by ObligatorySarcasm on Jan 12th 2019 at 9:35:54 AM

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#57584: Jan 12th 2019 at 6:54:56 AM

I'm confident they wont introduce another race the Gems are fighting in the present tense, I could see them going for a past war scenario where they were fighting off a threat to their race and the constant focus on building up their forces is left over from that period,getting them to accept it's no longer necessary to focus on fighting an enemy that's not there anymore wouldn't be too surprising

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#57585: Jan 12th 2019 at 9:34:45 AM

There is one plot thread that likely won't get resolved, and that's the one about the humans in the zoo. I don't think we're going to see them in the next episode, nor even have a mention of them.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#57586: Jan 12th 2019 at 10:47:05 AM

@ObligatorySarcasm: We don't know how many more seasons the show is going to have; we know there'll be at least 1 more for sure, but rumor has it the total is going to be at least 7 and possibly more, and they can't all be townie episodes. Between having to set up a new Myth Arc in a shorter span of time than we might prefer and having no driving plot at all, they're pretty much going to have to go with the former if they've been renewed for more than 1 additional season after 5, assuming Battle of Heart and Mind was written as Grand Finale.

Now if they do go down this sort of route, it almost obviously won't be some Always Chaotic Evil Giant Space Flea from Nowhere, instead we'd probably get a situation amneable to diplomacy, and to me the best bet for that would be the Gems' estranged creators, assuming they have one.

It wouldn't be any more sudden than White Diamond being introduced, displacing Yellow and Blue as the Big Bad, and having the conflict with her resolved in the space of 5 episodes, which is what would have to happen if this was originally meant to be the series finale.

OTOH, it's also entirely possible they got renewed early enough in production to rewrite the outcome of this arc from what they originally had planned to allow for a sixth season that continues the current Myth Arc. I think that's the most likely possibility given they had about 2 years to rework things, but we won't know for sure until the episode airs.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Jan 12th 2019 at 2:15:48 PM

qtjinla15 Since: Dec, 2010
#57587: Jan 12th 2019 at 9:35:11 PM

Actually it would be out if nowhere. We had hints suggesting the existence of white diamond. There is as of yet no hints to a progenitor for the diamonds and gem race at large.

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#57588: Jan 12th 2019 at 9:42:00 PM

Yeah, the assumption was always that White Diamond existed.

They kept her conspicuously absent, probably just because they wanted to hold off on her big reveal, but in-universe because White doesn't seem to get directly involved with almost anything now, but that White Diamond existed was always the first thought.

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#57589: Jan 13th 2019 at 8:58:56 AM

You know as weird as creepy as the Diamonds' living furniture is, it's making me question the ethics of Rose having her own living room.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#57590: Jan 13th 2019 at 9:43:16 AM

I remembered another plot point that was brought up earlier that almost certainly won't be resolved in the next episode. There are still a bunch of bubbled Rose Quartz's at the zoo.

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#57591: Jan 13th 2019 at 10:00:38 AM

You never know,something like that might be addressed in a throw away line,especially since it looked like Pink did some experiments in her room,could be they're very convincing fakes in the place of the real real ones,the real ones being hidden away in the chest inside Lion's mane

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#57592: Jan 13th 2019 at 10:33:07 AM

[up][up]And even if the Off Colors arrived off-screen, I'm sure them returning/moving to Earth will be covered later.

[up]Rose would not leave a bunch of innocent gems in stasis just to hide her identity from Amethyst and Garnet.

Edited by thatother1dude on Jan 13th 2019 at 12:33:22 PM

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#57593: Jan 13th 2019 at 11:42:57 AM

Pink Diamond probably would though

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#57594: Jan 13th 2019 at 11:44:18 AM

That idea is too farfetched to be satisfying.

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#57595: Jan 13th 2019 at 11:49:03 AM

[up][up]No, she wouldn't. Rose doesn't think changing identities absolved her of guilt. And leaving them in stasis even after the war would be something bad she did as Rose, not Pink.

And what would the point of putting them in the chest when she had plenty of room and left Bismuth's bubble hanging around?


On the topic of the chest, I'm starting to think whatever's in there will be somewhat important, but not tremendously so.

Edited by thatother1dude on Jan 13th 2019 at 1:51:09 PM

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#57596: Jan 13th 2019 at 12:04:00 PM

> And what would the point of putting them in the chest when she had plenty of room and left Bismuth's bubble hanging around?

There's a lot of them compared to the one bismuth she bubbled away and leaving in a chest means she has them all left tidily in one place

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#57597: Jan 13th 2019 at 12:41:06 PM

I mean I really don't think the Rose Quartzes existing proves anything about "Rose's" identity as Pink Diamond. Its already the assumption that Rose had unique abilities, and that the other Rose Quartzes didn't. Because otherwise why would Homeworld bubble all of their healing Gems?

Maybe the voice might give it away, but even within the caste there can be very different inflections.

And I can't see Rose deciding "I need to get the Rose Quartzes away from the other Diamonds" and also deciding "I'm going to do the exact same thing they were doing and leaving them in stasis just to cover my ass."

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
thatother1dude Ready to see true darkness from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#57598: Jan 13th 2019 at 1:01:02 PM

I mean I really don't think the Rose Quartzes existing proves anything about "Rose's" identity as Pink Diamond.
I meant Pink Rose leaving fake Rose Quartzes in the Zoo and bringing the rest out on Earth would make Garnet and Amethyst ask "How did you rescue them, and why did you wait until after the war to get them out?"

"I'm going to do the exact same thing they were doing and leaving them in stasis just to cover my ass."
It would have been OK to keep them there during the war, but not after.
P.S. Joe Johnston unambiguously stated real Rose Quartzes exist, and all of them are bubbled in the Zoo. (There's no room for Exact Words like Ian JQ's "Her name was Rose QUARTZ" tweet.)

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#57599: Jan 13th 2019 at 7:24:24 PM

This is incredibly funny.


Just to make sure, there isn't an episode tomorrow, right?

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#57600: Jan 13th 2019 at 7:27:17 PM

The Mario music makes it 10x funnier.

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