Follow TV Tropes

Following

Steven Universe

Go To

RhymeBeat Bird mom from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Bird mom
#31901: May 19th 2016 at 10:52:29 PM

My issue with that is it fundamentally contradicts how bubbling works. If Lion was Bismuth she wouldn't be able to both be in a bubble and manifesting herself in the physical world at the same time. I like the "Rastagem is Bismuth" hypothosis though. Also Lion is nowhere near as colorful as Rastagem.

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
thatother1dude Ready to see true darkness from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Ready to see true darkness
#31902: May 19th 2016 at 10:57:05 PM

yet Lapis was sent to Earth for whatever reason
She may have gone there on her own for personal reasons, possibly without permission. That might explain why Homeworld forces on Earth were so suspicious of her.

The people who make the show say they don't care about scale, only what makes an appealing scene.
Jones-Quartey said the only scale they care about is order of height within each scene. For instance, no matter their height difference with Steven in different shots, Garnet is taller than Pearl whenever they're in the same shot together.

The problem with Lapis is that she's stood next to so few other characters (mostly Steven and Jasper) that she just seems somewhere between Amethyst and Pearl's heights. That height range isn't just big, it's one you pay attention to because it encompasses most actual human heights. Because we perceive height relative to ourselves, with less precision the further away, that kind of messes with willing suspension of disbelief.

Imagine yourself as a character in this universe and you're looking at any given character in the eyes while you both stand up. I'd be looking down at Steven and up at Garnet. I'm fairly tall, so I imagine myself about even with Pearl—maybe that's not right, but it's a clear image in my head. Sugilite more than doubled in height for her second appearance, but I don't notice my neck being craned any further upward.

Put another way, the heights of these characters are better expressed with words than units—Steven is small, Greg is average (so are most other adult humans), Pearl is tall, Jasper is enormous—but I can't think of any words to describe Lapis's height. All I hope is that they settle on one side of average. I kind of prefer smaller, because it's cuter that makes her more distinct from Pearl.

Did Peridot's hair bother anyone else this episode? It seemed so much bigger than normal, to the point that it was distracting.
Weirdly, it didn't look anything like that in the other two Abrams/Mitroff episodes with Peridot in them ("When It Rains" and briefly in "Steven's Birthday"). Maybe they're still experimenting with drawing Peridot. Or maybe Peridot wasn't drawn by either of them in "Same Old World", but by a storyboard revisionist.

What makes it weirder is that with Lapis being that tall in that shot it makes Steven look really small. He looks like he's 6.
His anatomy kind of looks Peanuts-ish.

BabyBoo Since: Feb, 2013
#31903: May 19th 2016 at 11:08:05 PM

Maybe they're going for a Power Girl thing with Peridot's hair, and just keep drawing it bigger until the editors notice. tongue

randomness4 Snow Ghost from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Snow Ghost
#31904: May 19th 2016 at 11:10:51 PM

[up][up]Once again my opinion hold is left unsure by ambiguous wording.

"I was only meant to visit for a short time..."

That the water particles also stay still with Lapis' water wings just makes the wing flapps look more lazy than it actually is.

edited 19th May '16 11:24:46 PM by randomness4

YO. Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#31906: May 19th 2016 at 11:31:10 PM

[up][up]Lapis is still able to do her mirror trick. Maybe she was sent to Earth for something regarding that?

honeyishrunkmyself Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#31907: May 19th 2016 at 11:31:24 PM

Any theory about lion instantly falls into the pit trap of the fact that lion is male. I mean, he can't be an gem, he is an he and there are no male gems. So wtf is he.

my guess, gregs cat.

JBC31187 Since: Jan, 2015
#31908: May 19th 2016 at 11:32:53 PM

That the water particles also stay still with Lapis' water wings just makes the wing flapps look more lazy than it actually is.

And yet, Lapis's hair and dress are blowing in the wind.

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#31909: May 19th 2016 at 11:34:12 PM

There are actually lionesses with manes, due to some birth defect or something. They're very rare.

RhymeBeat Bird mom from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Bird mom
#31910: May 19th 2016 at 11:35:07 PM

We assume Lion is male, because real lions with manes are almost but not always male. Steven makes the same assumption. My issue with the Bismuth is Lion, theory is the lack of colors in Lion's design, and the fact that Bismuth's Gem is shown bubbled, which would preclude her from manifesting a physical body.

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
thatother1dude Ready to see true darkness from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Ready to see true darkness
#31911: May 19th 2016 at 11:35:55 PM

Here is another good full design for Dreadlock/Rasta/Bismuth/Woolie/Georgeclinton Gem

edited 19th May '16 11:37:28 PM by thatother1dude

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#31912: May 19th 2016 at 11:37:24 PM

There can be more than one of a gem. But, yeah I don't think Lion is a bismuth.

randomness4 Snow Ghost from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Snow Ghost
#31913: May 19th 2016 at 11:47:49 PM

@JBC31187 I said it "looked" lazy, but it just kind of bugs me.

edited 19th May '16 11:48:05 PM by randomness4

YO. Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie.
thatother1dude Ready to see true darkness from Land of the Ill, Annoyin' Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Ready to see true darkness
#31914: May 19th 2016 at 11:54:13 PM

Any theory about lion instantly falls into the pit trap of the fact that lion is male. I mean, he can't be an gem, he is an he and there are no male gems.
As I've brought up before, corrupted gems' forms seems so randomized that they can probably have any apparent gender/sex—some of them don't even look like living things at all. Purple Puma shows gems can have male bodies (Guide to the Crystal Gems says it's one of multiple times Amethyst has "experiment with male forms"), they just haven't had any reason to.

Still don't think Lion is a bismuth either though, because that gem is clearly just stored inside Lion's mane.

randomness4 Snow Ghost from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Snow Ghost
#31915: May 20th 2016 at 12:00:20 AM

If a bubbled Gem can control an animal...that might be something, that's the only way that theory can work.

YO. Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie.
darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#31916: May 20th 2016 at 12:17:44 AM

Lapis is back! Lapis is back!

Awwwwww it's been too long. Seriously it's hard to believe Chille Tid was a year ago and thus, the last time we'd seen Lapis.

When her tone is happy it's a Most Wonderful Sound for how rare it is. And now she's got a wacky roommate.

I had to pause my copy of the episode with the Jersey jokes.[lol] [lol] [lol]

Also more Noun City names.

Xeroop Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
#31917: May 20th 2016 at 2:32:40 AM

Huh, I forgot this was on weekly again, at least momentarily.

I actually liked this episode more than the two previous ones. The previous ones went by super fast, feeling like both events should've more episodes devoted. This, however, took its time and gave us some pretty interesting exposition on what happened.

[up] The wacky roommate was predicted by Steven earlier. Maybe Lapis will also get a job in a local coffee shop?

edited 20th May '16 2:33:47 AM by Xeroop

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#31918: May 20th 2016 at 3:13:35 AM

We can only hope. Nah forget that, have her work in the Big Donut.

I like how Steven basically summarized half of every romantic comedy or sitcom in the 90s that took place in New York.

Hungryguy I am a Rad Reptile. from inside a cheese wheel Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
I am a Rad Reptile.
#31919: May 20th 2016 at 5:00:05 AM

If she ever got a job, it'd probably be at Greg's carwash.

Call me butter, because I am on a roll! 3ds friend code: 5258-0885-3903 Wii U: Bowser Charizard
xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#31920: May 20th 2016 at 6:43:46 AM

The carwash is automated, so the only time she'd be able to work is if the what they're washing is "too fat".

BlueBlaze64 The Watcher on the Tower from Empire City Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
The Watcher on the Tower
#31921: May 20th 2016 at 7:51:58 AM

I'm just wondering why Bizmuth (regardless if that was her in Lapis's flashback) was considered such a high-priority gem by Rose that it's the only bubbled gem kept in that secret place inside Lion.

"The cruelest thing you can do to an artist is tell them their work is flawless when it isn't." -Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
Enlong Court Dragon from The Underground Facility Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Court Dragon
#31922: May 20th 2016 at 7:52:32 AM

Re: Lion can't be a gem because he's male.

Honestly, gems can take any form they care to (the Purple Puma seems to be male, for example) and corrupted gem beasts likewise can be based on just about anything. We only think Lion is male because of the way he looks. If Lion turned out to be a gem, that form would be as mutable as anything else. It's entirely possible for Lion to be a female gem who is currently taking a male form.

I have a message from another time...
Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#31923: May 20th 2016 at 9:11:57 AM

[up] While that is true is feels like unnecessary Red Herring. Gems are female-shaped. Lion is one animal that every kid can tell if its a boy or girl. Lets have girl lion that looks like boy. Profit. Like, I know that Steven Universe is progressive and all....but that feels random.

Unrelated, but interesting: Lapis Lazuli just might be based on character from really old anime.

edited 20th May '16 9:12:48 AM by Sunchet

xanderiskander Since: Mar, 2012
#31924: May 20th 2016 at 9:19:40 AM

Doug and Rob did a vlog for the two parter at the beginning of the event.

InAnOdderWay Since: Nov, 2013
#31925: May 20th 2016 at 9:28:34 AM

I don't like Lion is a corrupted gem theories. They feel generally unnecessary, at least to me. Also there's the whole "how can a Lion exist and act like a lion if lion is from space" matter. If anything Lion seems like a being created by Rose/PD while on Earth, which explains his loyalty to Rose. Maybe he was based off an actual lion.


Total posts: 62,830
Top