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For a list of bad laconics, see Sandbox.Pages Needing Better Laconics.

For generally accepted guidelines for laconics, see Sandbox.Laconic Wiki Template.


Today I found out an interesting fact from troper Ironeye:

Don't ever make the mistake of using the Laconic version as the canonical trope meaning—the laconics are often written by people who don't actually understand the drop. In this case, the laconic only corresponds to one possible cause of Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy.

The Laconic Description for DIAA states as follows:

The thing is, these descriptions are supposed to make it easier to understand what the page is about. If they can't be accurate as well as short and sweet, then there's a problem.

So for starters, what would be a better description for DIAA?

Edited by MacronNotes on Jan 29th 2023 at 6:23:45 AM

MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#2201: Dec 18th 2022 at 1:38:23 PM

[up] I still want to make it clear that it has to be exaggeratedly so.

"When a character is a bad actor in-universe, they underact or overact exaggeratedly."

Is that clearer?

EDIT: Page-topper, this is for Bad "Bad Acting".

Edited by MurlocAggroB on Dec 18th 2022 at 3:38:43 AM

regulation pigeon
Ayumi-chan 3rd happiest man in Connecticut from Iacon City (Experienced Trainee) Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
3rd happiest man in Connecticut
#2202: Dec 18th 2022 at 3:58:05 PM

bumping this since I got no feedback

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Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#2203: Dec 18th 2022 at 4:17:06 PM

For Laconic.Mars Of Destruction, A boy with an armored suit and a squad of military girls protect Tokyo from creatures appearing after a failed Mars expedition.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Ayumi-chan 3rd happiest man in Connecticut from Iacon City (Experienced Trainee) Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
3rd happiest man in Connecticut
#2204: Dec 18th 2022 at 7:07:12 PM

[up] Done now, But what about the others?

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RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
She / Her
#2205: Dec 18th 2022 at 7:55:50 PM

[up](x4) That looks good to me.

[up]For Laconic.Bayonetta 3:

A gunslinging heroine and alternate versions of herself fight human-made bioweapons.

Ayumi-chan 3rd happiest man in Connecticut from Iacon City (Experienced Trainee) Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
3rd happiest man in Connecticut
#2206: Dec 18th 2022 at 7:58:46 PM

done!

What else?

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Malady (X-Troper)
#2207: Dec 18th 2022 at 10:30:22 PM

list from previous page Isn't done.

Edited by Malady on Dec 18th 2022 at 10:34:03 AM

Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576
RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
She / Her
#2208: Dec 19th 2022 at 12:07:08 AM

[up][tup].

Laconic.Too Dumb To Live has an inaccurate detail that says it can involve a near-death experience. However, the main page just describes it as it involving the character to die. So, can I remove "or at least a near-death experience" from it?

Edited by RandomTroper123 on Dec 19th 2022 at 12:07:35 PM

Ayumi-chan 3rd happiest man in Connecticut from Iacon City (Experienced Trainee) Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
3rd happiest man in Connecticut
#2209: Dec 19th 2022 at 12:21:18 AM

[up] yep, cut it.

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TCmon The Big Man from Maryland Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: Abstaining
The Big Man
#2210: Dec 19th 2022 at 10:29:40 AM

@Malady I don't care how you put it. You can shape the laconic in Golden age any way you want.

Brutal
wingedcatgirl mys. minty from the silly dimension from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
mys. minty from the silly dimension
#2211: Dec 20th 2022 at 11:01:31 AM

Laconic.Orwellian Retcon previously read like so:

Change the original and pretend it was always like that. No one will notice!

Since that's clearly unnecessarily hostile, we changed it to this:

A change to continuity implemented via a change to the actual work text.

Is this good for y'all and/or are there any suggestions for further improvement?

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#2212: Dec 20th 2022 at 4:04:31 PM

The trope isn't just about text and shows a visual example as the image. Perhaps this?

A change to continuity that involves also changing the original work to bring it into line.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Dec 20th 2022 at 4:05:03 AM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
wingedcatgirl mys. minty from the silly dimension from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
mys. minty from the silly dimension
#2213: Dec 20th 2022 at 4:34:16 PM

"Text" here doesn't mean letters, it's text in the same sense as paratext and subtext.

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#2214: Dec 21st 2022 at 12:28:00 PM

Laconic.Horsemen Of The Apocalypse describes the visual appearance of them, but it's not what the trope is for. Suggesting "Biblical Motifs about Elite Four heralds of The End of the World as We Know It."

e: ok, it's in.

Edited by Amonimus on Dec 21st 2022 at 12:21:22 PM

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
themayorofsimpleton Short-Term Projects Herald | he/him from the Island of Koridai (Captain) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
nw09 Since: Apr, 2018
#2217: Dec 21st 2022 at 6:49:46 PM

Your Other Left is "A Stock Phrase for when someone goes the wrong way other tells them to." The trope isn't about the phrase, so it needs a better one.

Oxyrhynchus If you're reading this, you're an awesome dude! from Somewhere in Vietnam (Plucky Ensign) Relationship Status: I-It's not like I like you, or anything!
If you're reading this, you're an awesome dude!
#2218: Dec 21st 2022 at 9:54:49 PM

Laconic.Avataro Sentai Donbrothers is too long. I mean, damn, that's one fistful of text!

A Ragtag Bunch of Misfits have their lives turned upside-down after being chosen to become a Digital Avatar Sentai based on Momotarō, to fight a Secret War against denizens of The Metaverse seeking to Kill All Humans.
Should this be rewritten, tweaked or something?

STOP RIGHT THERE! BULLS**T!
Grotadmorv Got a taste for scotch and abusive guys from Felix Hagan City, Family Avenue (Troper Knight) Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
Got a taste for scotch and abusive guys
#2219: Dec 21st 2022 at 10:35:58 PM

I'm wondering, should we make a sandbox for bad Laconics that we find, so we add them there instead of needing to bump the thread?

Make it so we never die, and take the pain away
Amonimus the "Retromancer" from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the "Retromancer"
#2220: Dec 21st 2022 at 10:49:32 PM

IIRC I did suggest doing that.

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
She / Her
#2221: Dec 22nd 2022 at 12:50:34 PM

In Laconic.Sinister Minister, someone added this part (I put it in bold):

A villainous or very morally-grey anti-heroic preacher.
However, the main page just states this is a villainous trope. In one edit, the troper cited an example. However, I checked the character page of the work in question, and I didn't see Sinister Minister even potholed.

Do you all think it would be fine if I remove it?

Malady (X-Troper)
#2222: Dec 22nd 2022 at 5:28:55 PM

Laconic.Nature Spirit: Currently:

"An Anthropomorphic Personification of the forces of nature."

Suggestion:

"A supernatural being with ties to the "floral" meaning of "Nature"."

Because it seems broader than Anthropomorphic Personification, a.k.a "Living embodiments of abstract concepts", which wouldn't allow the flower fairies that led me there.

Disambig Needed: Help with those issues! tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13324299140A37493800&page=24#comment-576
wingedcatgirl mys. minty from the silly dimension from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
mys. minty from the silly dimension
#2223: Dec 25th 2022 at 7:10:25 PM

Laconic.Starter Gear Staying Power is currently unreasonably long. How about "Your starting gear remains viable even after you've acquired new options." ?

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
MyFinalEdits Delete message from Parts Unknown (Spin-off Series) Relationship Status: Cast away
Delete message
#2224: Dec 26th 2022 at 12:41:01 PM

I support that suggestion.

135 -> 180 -> 273 -> 191 -> 188 -> 230 -> 300 -> 311
Ayumi-chan 3rd happiest man in Connecticut from Iacon City (Experienced Trainee) Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
3rd happiest man in Connecticut
#2225: Dec 27th 2022 at 12:27:11 AM

Here are few from my sandbox, Since some of them haven’t gotten responses:

Edited by Ayumi-chan on Jan 9th 2023 at 10:04:42 PM

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