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Today I found out an interesting fact from troper Ironeye:

Don't ever make the mistake of using the Laconic version as the canonical trope meaning—the laconics are often written by people who don't actually understand the drop. In this case, the laconic only corresponds to one possible cause of Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy.

The Laconic Description for DIAA states as follows:

The thing is, these descriptions are supposed to make it easier to understand what the page is about. If they can't be accurate as well as short and sweet, then there's a problem.

So for starters, what would be a better description for DIAA?

Edited by MacronNotes on Jan 29th 2023 at 6:23:45 AM

Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#1501: Apr 16th 2022 at 8:17:51 PM

Laconic.Creeper World:

Witness and play as humanity battling a never ending war against an extremely dangerous puddle of indigo poison in different time periods. And a bunch of red orbs that one time.

Alternatively

Fight the ocean itself.

I guess the first one's better? Sorta long though?

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Officially intimidated
#1502: Apr 16th 2022 at 10:31:04 PM

I support the first one.

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Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
#1503: Apr 16th 2022 at 10:57:40 PM

Chained Sinkholes can be resolved by unlinking the middle one.

It doesn't have to be so dramatic, it's "An RTS / Tower Defence about defending the last base of humanity against the hostile Great Flood."

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Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#1504: Apr 20th 2022 at 9:44:24 AM

[up] - Done.


Laconic.Compilation Rerelease. Should that say that it's a Video Game trope?

"Multiple works in a franchise bundled together as a single product."

Because the description says that Omnibus is for textual works.

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wingedcatgirl I'm helping! from lurking (Holding A Herring) Relationship Status: Oh my word! I'm gay!
I'm helping!
#1505: Apr 21st 2022 at 10:13:48 PM

Laconic.This Is Going To Be Huge is "History proves this to be false. It fails big time."

It's not the worst, but it's a response to the trope title, which we understand is discouraged if not forbidden these days.

We've got "Character thinks something's gonna be a big deal, but the audience already knows it wasn't." Any ideas for improvements?

Edited by wingedcatgirl on Apr 21st 2022 at 12:13:59 PM

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ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#1506: Apr 22nd 2022 at 12:18:56 AM

The trope itself is kind of negative on the face of it, and is often used to complain, but Four Lines, All Waiting has this laconic that is also negative.

  • The series has many simultaneous plots. Have fun trying to follow them all.

Feels like the second sentence can probably be cut, yes?

Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#1507: Apr 23rd 2022 at 5:19:07 PM

For Laconic.This Is Going To Be Huge, all I can think of is:

  • A character becomes invested in something they believe will be very successful, but which the audience knows is doomed to failure.

For Four Lines, All Waiting, how about:

  • The work has a minimum of four simultaneous plots, which it advances by regularly switching between each of them.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
spyland2 Since: Jun, 2021
#1509: Apr 23rd 2022 at 6:34:53 PM

So the laconic page for Code Geass is this

In an attempt to make the laconic more fitting, how about something like "An exiled prince can compel people to do what he wants them to with his eye in order to avenge his mother's death"

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#1510: Apr 23rd 2022 at 6:48:20 PM

That sentence doesn't quite work.

"Can compel people...to avenge mother's death" doesn't flow.

Back when I had a dayjob, I drove there. I wouldn't say "I can use a car to drive to work."

So you might want something more like "Exiled prince is gifted magical compulsion powers and uses them to solve and avenge his mother's death."

Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
#1511: Apr 23rd 2022 at 10:16:01 PM

Mother's death feels like it was rarely tocuhed upon, the series primarly focuses on leading Japan's rebellion against world-dominating British empire while hiding as a school student.

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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#1512: Apr 24th 2022 at 2:52:31 PM

Combine them?

  • An exiled prince with magical compulsion powers leads a rebellion against the world-dominating British empire while trying to resolve his mother's death.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
spyland2 Since: Jun, 2021
#1513: Apr 24th 2022 at 9:12:41 PM

Like that suggestion Wyldchyld

delayedboom she/her Since: Sep, 2021 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
she/her
#1514: Apr 26th 2022 at 1:13:59 AM

Gaslight does absolutely nothing to describe the plot of the film, other than referencing the protagonist's mental state.

How is this:

Ten years after the murder of her aunt, a woman and her husband move back into her house, whereupon the husband begins to psychologically manipulate her.

Edited by delayedboom on Apr 26th 2022 at 1:14:08 AM

We don't sweep with a broom, no~
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#1515: Apr 29th 2022 at 9:51:03 AM

That works for me.

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
She / Her
#1516: Apr 29th 2022 at 10:20:12 PM

The Laconic for Precision F-Strike states:

A swear word, usually a stronger one, is used by a character or work not known for using them to make a point.
There are several issues here:
  • This suggests O.O.C. Is Serious Business can apply to a work, when it actually applies to a character. This makes it a Sinkhole, which aren't allowed.
  • The main page can also apply to slurs (which is stated on the line "Other profane words such as "damn," "shit," hell," "goddamn," or slurs." from the main page). However, this version doesn't note this.
  • The unabridged page states, "A Precision F-Strike is... when a swear is unexpectedly used in a work with mild language." Therefore, can I instead use the more concise "work with usually milder language" instead of "not known for using them to make a point"?
Can I fix these errors? For the record, I tried to do that beforehand. However, someone reverted it back.

Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
#1517: Apr 29th 2022 at 10:32:57 PM

~rileybrant20 please talk this out here and not in edit reasons as well. [up] are good points, though I can comment that "both of which meaning something" sounds too general and "expletive" is rather uncommon word for "swear".

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RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
She / Her
#1518: Apr 30th 2022 at 3:49:31 PM

[up]Ok and good to know. If I do edit that page again, I'll keep that in mind.

TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#1519: Apr 30th 2022 at 10:29:48 PM

How about this?

Profanity, especially harsh profanity, is used in a work where profanity is infrequent at best, emphasizing the importance of the line/situation.

Edited by TheLivingDrawing on Apr 30th 2022 at 1:31:19 PM

Why waste time when you can see the last sunset last?
Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
#1520: Apr 30th 2022 at 10:34:31 PM

Remove last two of three "profanity" to reduce redundancy and sounds good enough to me.

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Amonimus the Retromancer from <<|Wiki Talk|>> (Sergeant) Relationship Status: In another castle
the Retromancer
MyFinalEdits Officially intimidated from Parts Unknown (Ten years in the joint) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Officially intimidated
#1522: May 1st 2022 at 12:59:16 AM

Not snarky ones, that's for sure. I think the "impossible to get" part is nowadays more of a meme or in-joke than actual fact.

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RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
She / Her
#1523: May 1st 2022 at 9:25:20 AM

(to The Living Drawing) I like it. However, I would also note that it can also apply if spoken by a character who usually doesn't swear.

TheLivingDrawing Lucas the Dreamer from The Town of Clayton Since: Apr, 2019 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
Lucas the Dreamer
#1524: May 1st 2022 at 9:50:00 AM

How’s this

Profanity, especially if its harsh, is used in a work or by a character that doesn’t use it, emphasizing the importance of the line/situation.

Why waste time when you can see the last sunset last?
RandomTroper123 She / Her from I'll let you guess... (Not-So-Newbie) Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]

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