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For a list of bad laconics, see Sandbox.Pages Needing Better Laconics.

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Today I found out an interesting fact from troper Ironeye:

Don't ever make the mistake of using the Laconic version as the canonical trope meaning—the laconics are often written by people who don't actually understand the drop. In this case, the laconic only corresponds to one possible cause of Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy.

The Laconic Description for DIAA states as follows:

The thing is, these descriptions are supposed to make it easier to understand what the page is about. If they can't be accurate as well as short and sweet, then there's a problem.

So for starters, what would be a better description for DIAA?

Edited by MacronNotes on Jan 29th 2023 at 6:23:45 AM

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#2726: Dec 23rd 2023 at 8:42:01 PM

[up][up][up]I support the suggestion as well.

135 -> 180 -> 273 -> 191 -> 188 -> 230 -> 300 -> 311
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#2729: Dec 26th 2023 at 7:48:49 AM

That troper definitely needs a notifier, they've been making a lot of changes like this.

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#2730: Dec 27th 2023 at 12:03:29 AM

Laconic.Digimon Ghost Game: Gratious X Meets Y. Suggestion:

Also illegal zalgo font.

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#2732: Dec 27th 2023 at 2:16:02 PM

[up](x4) Thank you.

[up][up]I like your suggestion.

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#2733: Dec 27th 2023 at 6:41:12 PM

For Laconic.Hollywood Autism, can I add a "usually" before the "by non-autistic writers" bit? Offending the Creator's Own is a thing, after all, and even autistic writers can perpetuate the stereotype / not do research.

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#2734: Dec 27th 2023 at 10:00:39 PM

[up]Now that you mention it, that's good to add in[tup]

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#2737: Dec 29th 2023 at 6:14:35 AM

Dear anyone watching this thread.

I was wondering could Laconic.Negative Continuity description could be better. Cause right now it just said "Nothing sticks. Ever." which for me doesn't explain much about the trope definition. Not to mention no one seems bothering the page as last edit was 2 years ago.

Here's how I would change it: "Nothing from the last season/episode affects the next season/episode."

So what do you all think?

Edited by Stray_Editor on Dec 29th 2023 at 10:15:02 PM

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#2738: Dec 29th 2023 at 8:08:05 AM

[up]x5 Makes sense to me.

[up]I'd say that's a good way to summarize it. The original is also perhaps a bit too complain-y.


Laconic.Inland Empire is just the movie's Tagline, "A Woman in Trouble," which is technically accurate, but doesn't say much about the movie. Knowing this is pretty Mind Screw-y film, I'd like to suggest the following:
  • An actress lands a role in a supposedly cursed film. Her life, her character's arc, the plotline of a sitcom with rabbits, and the life of a woman in 1930s Poland start to intersect in strange and surreal ways.

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#2739: Jan 2nd 2024 at 11:56:32 AM

Laconic.Original Position Fallacy is really damn long. How's this for a conciser version:

They're fine with unfairness because it's unfair in their favor... until it's not.

Suddenly I'm... still rotating Fallen London in my mind even though I've stopped actively playing it.
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#2740: Jan 2nd 2024 at 12:09:36 PM

[up]I support the suggestion.

135 -> 180 -> 273 -> 191 -> 188 -> 230 -> 300 -> 311
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#2741: Jan 12th 2024 at 3:07:20 PM

Laconic.Tron Lines:

Current:

Technology with gratuitous glowing lines.

Suggestion:

Technology with gratuitous glowing, sharply angled lines.

Or perhaps "right-angled", since the trope is about the line angles, not the glow itself?

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#2743: Jan 13th 2024 at 6:22:39 AM

Yeah, the suggestion adds more words without really improving on the meaning. (Also, I'm sure there are plenty of Tron Lines that are smoothly curved, not sharply angled.)

Malady (X-Troper)
#2744: Jan 13th 2024 at 7:11:04 AM

Oh, right. I didn't notice that the first word was "technology" instead of something less specific like "An object".

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#2745: Jan 16th 2024 at 5:44:59 PM

Laconic.Velma… we can just get rid of all but the first one, right?

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#2746: Jan 16th 2024 at 5:54:45 PM

[up] Keep the first one remove the others

This show may suck donkey balls, but laconics ain't for complaining and the point of them is to summarize a work's premise, which the first one does decently well.

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#2747: Jan 16th 2024 at 6:07:55 PM

All three could possibly be merged.

A Darker and Edgier origin story of mostly Race-Swapped and meaner Mystery Inc. where the titular nerd fights to prove that she is not a serial killer.

The second one of those is also so direct it possibly worth a notifier.

Edited by Amonimus on Jan 16th 2024 at 5:11:38 PM

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#2748: Jan 16th 2024 at 6:09:50 PM

Velma is a she tongue

But otherwise, yours seems ok?

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#2749: Jan 16th 2024 at 6:12:20 PM

[up] I've copypasted the third one which had the error.

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