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For a list of bad laconics, see Sandbox.Pages Needing Better Laconics.

For generally accepted guidelines for laconics, see Sandbox.Laconic Wiki Template.


Today I found out an interesting fact from troper Ironeye:

Don't ever make the mistake of using the Laconic version as the canonical trope meaning—the laconics are often written by people who don't actually understand the drop. In this case, the laconic only corresponds to one possible cause of Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy.

The Laconic Description for DIAA states as follows:

The thing is, these descriptions are supposed to make it easier to understand what the page is about. If they can't be accurate as well as short and sweet, then there's a problem.

So for starters, what would be a better description for DIAA?

Edited by MacronNotes on Jan 29th 2023 at 6:23:45 AM

MegaJ Since: Oct, 2009
#2676: Nov 15th 2023 at 10:04:16 AM

Laconic.Thriller (for the Trope) is just "Anticipation of action, rather than action itself." How about:

  • Fiction Genre that induces anxiety in the audience by using fast pacing, anticipation, and suspense.

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#2678: Nov 18th 2023 at 11:45:33 PM

[up], [up][up], and[up](x3) [tup].


Bumping (or at least I feel it's safe to do so now).

Malady (X-Troper)
#2679: Nov 19th 2023 at 7:29:16 AM

Laconic.Multi Mook Melee:

Current:

When the Boss Battle is against a horde of Mooks.

Suggestion:

Locked in somewhere, kill multiple sets of enemies to open the way out.

Because the inescapable nature of the arena or something seems to be important, from what I know. And it's not always a boss battle.

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#2680: Nov 19th 2023 at 7:39:36 AM

[up]I support the suggestion. The current would fit for Wolfpack Boss, but not a Multi-Mook Melee.

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#2681: Nov 20th 2023 at 2:52:47 PM

The Laconic page of Soylent Green is full of spoilers marks. What to do with it?

"Now it's starting to feel like a game!"
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#2682: Nov 20th 2023 at 5:55:49 PM

I'd remove the spoiler markups.

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#2683: Nov 20th 2023 at 11:16:24 PM

If there are actually spoilers in the laconic, then it should be rephrased.

Fjón þvæ ég af mér fjanda minna rán og reiði ríkra manna.
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#2684: Nov 20th 2023 at 11:23:37 PM

It's a meh laconic relying on the one thing everyone knows about the movie, not the rest of the plot.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
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#2685: Nov 21st 2023 at 8:40:56 AM

But what if people don't know the spoilers movie and the spoilers?

"Now it's starting to feel like a game!"
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#2686: Nov 21st 2023 at 11:18:42 AM

That's another reason why it's bad. My point was that, even putting spoilers aside, it's not descriptive at all.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
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#2687: Nov 22nd 2023 at 7:18:27 AM

Laconic.Partially Civilized Animal reads:

An animal that's civilized, but not civilized enough to be a Civilized Animal.

The problem with this is not only that it only states the obvious, but it doesn't make sense without knowing the definition a Civilized Animal (though I have no problem mentioning Civilized Animal somewhere). In contrast, Laconic.Civilized Animal is the following (which is fine as is):

Animals that do human things but still remain in their animal body and tend to adhere to the natural ecosystem.

Any ideas of how to improve Laconic.Partially Civilized Animal?

Edited by petersohn on Nov 22nd 2023 at 4:18:45 PM

Fjón þvæ ég af mér fjanda minna rán og reiði ríkra manna.
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#2688: Nov 24th 2023 at 12:51:48 PM

Laconic.World Of Silence: An Assimilation Plot results in a quiet, emotionless world.

I don't think Assimilation Plot is the main method of achieving it and "quiet" is ambiguous in this context. Nor it accounts that more often than not it's an Evil Plan that gets foiled. Suggestion:

TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
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#2689: Nov 25th 2023 at 10:18:16 AM

[up][up] Perhaps the summary of Partially Civilized Animal that appears on Civilized Animal is the guideline to use?

"Partially Civilized Animal exhibits some form of civilized behavior, but is more likely to have a minimally anthropomorphized body shape and the majority of the mannerisms are ones you would expect in an animal."

So, perhaps:

"The animal exhibits some form of civilised behaviour, but its body shape and movements are minimally anthropomorphised, and its behaviour and mannerisms are mostly normal for its animal-type."

Edited by Wyldchyld on Nov 25th 2023 at 6:18:24 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
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#2692: Nov 27th 2023 at 10:49:01 AM

[up] Delete the two after the first. Multiple laconics aren't allowed under any circumstances, and the second is unhelpful while the third is just a useless X Meets Y thing.

regulation pigeon
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#2694: Nov 29th 2023 at 2:42:53 AM

Laconic.Deponia: Monkey Island: Diesel Punk Edition

Recycled IN SPACE!

Suggestion:

The scrapyard planet's resident fool discovers an unconscious noblewoman from the flying city and trying to deliver her back for a reward discovers a Government Conspiracy.

Edited by Amonimus on Nov 29th 2023 at 4:32:57 PM

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#2696: Nov 29th 2023 at 7:45:06 AM

I support both suggestions. [tup]

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#2697: Nov 29th 2023 at 8:08:42 AM

Same here.

(Annoyed grunt)
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#2698: Nov 29th 2023 at 10:04:46 AM

Huh, you just reminded me that the Recycled In Space cleanup is... basically unstarted. [lol]

Anyway, [tup]

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#2700: Nov 30th 2023 at 7:18:24 PM

[up]Sounds good to me[tup].


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