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EndlessSea LEGENDARY GALE from oh no you don't Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#1551: May 13th 2016 at 12:21:07 PM

So, after seeing references to this film in an episode of YGOTAS, I decided to look up a clip on Youtube.

The clip I picked was the sandstorm scene.

I want to see this movie now.

That car disintegrating into flames will stay with me for the rest of my life.

but HOW?
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#1552: May 13th 2016 at 12:22:39 PM

Take a good look in the mirror, because by tomorrow you will probably have shaved your head and painted yourself chrome in awe.

edited 13th May '16 12:22:55 PM by Tuckerscreator

EndlessSea LEGENDARY GALE from oh no you don't Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#1553: May 13th 2016 at 12:24:11 PM

Naw, man, I just had a haircut a week or two ago and I hate the taste of anything that isn't fried rice or noodles.

but HOW?
Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#1554: May 13th 2016 at 12:24:15 PM

[up][up][up][up]Based on your name, it's probably because the concept of visual storytelling eludes you in comparison to more easily grasped written dialogue.

The inability to infer the emotional and intellectual responses of characters and things in a visual manner in an audiovisual format is going to severely undercut what you can get from it if you keep thinking like that.

edited 13th May '16 12:24:35 PM by Ekuran

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EndlessSea LEGENDARY GALE from oh no you don't Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#1556: May 13th 2016 at 12:34:24 PM

I am very particular about this stuff.

Besides, I've got enough mental complexes as it is to fuck my head up further getting high off ingested paint.

but HOW?
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#1557: May 13th 2016 at 12:37:14 PM

RE: Fiction Writer King

I think a good example of how the film relies mostly on visual storytelling rather than verbal is when Furiosa says that she's seeking "redemption". It's one word without followup detail, but her scenes beforehand play as its context. We see that Furiosa is the only woman amongst all the Warboys, not chained as a bride or milker, so she's got to be exceptional. We see that her soldiers trust her so much that they don't question her orders even when she's obviously leading them into a trap, meaning she must've led them skillfully maybe a hundred times. And we see that she's gotten to the rank of Imperator, a position where Immortan Joe himself salutes her; you don't get up there with your hands clean. And we've seen from her treatment of the Wives, Max, and Nux that she has capacity for compassion, so she is telling the truth and genuinely ashamed of her past actions. Without all the scenes of her behavior and others' behavior around her, Furiosa's statement would ring hollow.

edited 13th May '16 12:39:11 PM by Tuckerscreator

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#1558: May 13th 2016 at 4:44:19 PM

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#1559: May 14th 2016 at 3:52:41 AM

Brothers and sisters, if you wish to be shiny and chrome without the ill-effects of huffing automobile paint, use this stuff.

http://www.amazon.com/Wilton-710-5521-Silver-Color-Mist/dp/B005KTVG86/?tag=TIsafetynet-20

TAPETRVE from The city of Vlurxtrznbnaxl Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
#1560: May 14th 2016 at 3:56:03 AM

It tastes like shite, though.

Fear the cinnamon sugar swirl. By the Gods, fear it, Laurence.
FictionWriterKing Since: Apr, 2016
#1561: May 14th 2016 at 8:09:33 AM

Visual storytelling is just stories using lots of external subtext, things on the visible surface that define insert character or thing. Still fury road didn't interest me in them because I found the ones existing behind this so called female lead and world to be shallow. Verbal communication is part of subtext btw. There is subtext within someone or somethings actions, including their dialogue. What a speaker really says even though they're not saying it.

Compared to other stories in the same genre I still don't understand how Fury Road handled it warrants the masterpiece title. Fury Road's flatness irritates me. Gollum from LOR is flat but my first introduction of him clearly shows someone messed up in the head and the reason as to why without being expostiony. His obsession with the One Ring drove him bonkers to the point where he lived inside a cave. He even became conflicted over the fractured state it put him in.

Now back to Fury Road. Nothing about Furioso's actions defined her rebellious nature prior to the revelation of freeing sex slaves. That's where the most amount of emotional depth laid. Deep down inside she was complleded to break free from the preexisting harsh nature of her society. Putting herself before the slaves revealed an altruistic attitude - http://changingminds.org/explanations/behaviors/coping/altruism.htm Instead of playing out like that in dramatic fashion, I think it was just a plot incident. An incident also irrelevant to fleshing out the character's personality. She did it because the plot required it. I don't know about you but it didn't reveal what's interesting to me about the performer of the action. If I give action chic Saarah similar actions as Furuiso I don't think anything would have changed except Sarah's social milieu, personality, upbringing, inspirations effecting them. I need emphasis on why she performs these actions in relation to herself foremost. Not because there's bad things around and some exposition conveniently comes along to tell me she had enough. I guess in order for me to accept Furisuiso's functionality the film would have benefited focusing on detailing who she was rather than what she wanted to do.

Yeah sure she did all that stuff you posted Tuck but only a great deal are exactly that, stuff. Stories work better for me when I can empathise with a character's feelings. The film didn't do that for me. I'm unable to gain an attachment to her feelings exposed through subtext. What she action she does, how she does it, and where she does it never seems to matter apart from she does it, bam increase the amount of situations. It's not really revealing anymore of her suffering or expanding upon the altruistic attitude I mentioned earlier. More stuff happens. More situations... only to top them off with those convenient heart warming lines the three writers used to generalise their impact on us.

He'll even Max is more interesting than her. His flashbacks and primavative, non social behaviour briught him to life. On the other hand, the protagonist I can't figure out why people claim she's great.

This is more of the situation vs story or the so called plot vs character driven thing going on, which doesn't exist in my mind because there are only weak or strong ones.

This is like the new fantasy book Jewl and her Lappidy. There's a situation. I'm thrown into the fray with characters who do things involving h that situation but their actions dont reveal what's special about them... except for ideas determined by said situation.

edited 14th May '16 11:51:19 AM by FictionWriterKing

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#1562: May 14th 2016 at 11:18:22 AM

[up][up]Well you are not going to valhalla with that complaing

FWK: part of what make Fury road so good is how handle narrative, it dosent tell you in voice in off(except at first which is hilariosly narmy) instead in first minute it show what you need to know: Joe is a tyrant that want his rape-bride to...well, raping them Furiosa tell him to fuck off and both have a mario kart in HELL..that it, is very quick and is more visual that anything else

At the same time Furiosa past is a mistery, she did some horrible stuff and now goes into a almost faith based mision that there is going to be better place, that show she really want to atone someting and that it, it dosent need trick to get close to the chararter, instead it make you guess what is and it try to tunderstand

"He'll even Max is more interesting than her. His flashbacks and primavative, non social behaviour briught him to life. On the other hand, the protagonist I can't figure out why people claim she's great. "

Actually that vision are the weaker part of the film since the is not context of who they are and why it bother, it just there to be there and make Max....mad, it was pointless

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#1563: May 14th 2016 at 10:38:58 PM

Nothing about Furioso's actions defined her rebellious nature prior to the revelation of freeing sex slaves.

Why should it? Was she supposed to be introduced with an Establishing Character Moment of "look how rebellious I am"? That would seem too on-the-nose and also out of place considering her first scene has her surrounded by soldiers and watched by Joe, so any sign of rebellion from her during then would be suicide.

It seems like you wanted explanation on her character before she did anything, rather than letting her actions during the plot define her. It comes off as "she did it because the plot wanted it" because of insistence on viewing the plot as distinct from the characters. This isn't a movie where characters are introduced, their personalities defined, and then are dropped into a plot where they react in their own ways. This is a plot that exists because the characters actively cause it.

willyolio Since: Jan, 2001
#1564: May 16th 2016 at 7:25:14 PM

[up] as much as it is bad writing, there are so many films with bad writing that it seems like people have come to expect it.

People seem to expect the plot to stop, have some flashback scene or characters sit down and talk for a long time about their tragic past, call that character development, and have the plot roll forward again. And quite frankly, most of the time when I hear complaints about Fury Road, people actually complain that there isn't enough of this.

Not enough bad writing? holy crap. Yuck. A lot of people out there just aren't used to looking at subtext, reading between the lines, looking behind the motivation to see the characters and how they work. They expect everything to stop and have a dedicated moment for it. They expect to be able to forget a scene right after they see it. I just watched Captain America Civil War. Not that it was a bad movie, but they repeated the opening car crash scene 3 times in the movie. 3 times. Tell me once and let me make the connections! Hell, I bet these people thought there was nothing wrong with the Justice League introductions in Batman v Superman email...

No character development? Fuck. I could write an entire page on Furiosa. Hell, maybe I will.

Furiosa is out for redemption. She says this outright. She is not out for revenge, as she would have had plenty of chances to kill Joe herself. Why would she free the wives? Why would killing Joe not give her the redemption she wants, which would help not only the wives, but a good number of starving people living at the Citadel?

Let's look at her actions. And her intent. She brings a war rig with a full fuel pod to the Rock Riders, through Buzzard territory. She fully intended to lose her escort along the way, then use the fuel to bargain the rest of the way through for passage. Joe caught on too early and sent a way bigger response than she was expecting. So she's only looking for passage - she really didn't care if Joe was still alive, being a tyrant in his Citadel if her plan worked.

The girls speak of the "green place," with only a few of them sure that it even exists. Furiosa intends to take them there. Again, why save only a few girls when you could have saved any number of people Joe oppressed?

Later on, she mentions her mother, Jocasta. We see she used to be part of the Vuvulani. Her mother died after being captured, so presumably Furiosa didn't join Joe at the Citadel willingly. Yet, she's risen to the highest ranks, being an Imperator.

There's another line in the film - how does she know the way to the Green Place? She's been that way "Many times." If she'd tried to escape many times, she'd never have been an Imperator. How does she go so far, many times, and yet rise through the ranks of the Immortan's army? By running missions for him. Dressed like a warboy, covered in grease and white powder, head shaved... it's likely she did so unwillingly, for her own survival, but did a good job of it because she didn't see a way out. That's a lot of guilt to be carrying.

What missions would Joe need from the Green Place? He's got hydroponics and water, so he doesn't really need seeds or antying. The vuvulani don't seem to have a whole lot of gas or bullets stockpiled. What do they have that Joe doesn't? What were they called again? The Many Mothers.

So presumably, Furiosa ran missions for Joe over the past several years. To the Green Place. Raiding it for the one thing that Joe wants really, really badly and doesn't have: A child-bearing woman who won't produce disabled kids like Corpus Colossus, mentally challenged like Rictus Erectus, or cancer-filled like any of the warboys.

This ties in back to the beginning: how and why would Furiosa get redemption by bringing a bunch of wives to the Green Place? It would make up for some of the greatest sins she's accumulated in her lifetime (maybe) - raiding her old homeland for women. She's bringing women back to the Green Place. She's carrying a hell of a lot of guilt. In my opinion, even if her plan had worked, it probably wouldn't have redeemed her. But it's the only thing she had left, and the only possible outlet that could alleviate even some of her guilt.

That's just my theory, but Fury Road is a film that can be analyzed deeply. Most people just thought, "oh, it's an action film, i'll just turn my brain off" and while it's enjoyable at that, there is so much more depth to it that they didn't bother looking for, or don't even know how to look for.

edited 16th May '16 7:29:03 PM by willyolio

EndlessSea LEGENDARY GALE from oh no you don't Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#1565: Jun 25th 2016 at 8:23:42 PM

I have finally watched the film for myself. It was kickass.

but HOW?
TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#1566: Jun 26th 2016 at 3:03:10 AM

[up]One of us. One of us. ONE OF US. [lol]

Seriously, glad you enjoyed it.

LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#1567: Jun 26th 2016 at 8:30:04 AM

Speaking of, I picked up the game yesterday during a PS 4 sale.

This is probably the best licensed game that I've ever played, I was not expecting this.

Oh really when?
Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#1568: Jun 26th 2016 at 1:21:34 PM

I know, right? It was in production for a while, so at first I thought they had just papered over the plot for the tie-in, but it actually connects pretty closely with Fury Road.

Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.
TAPETRVE from The city of Vlurxtrznbnaxl Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
#1569: Jun 26th 2016 at 2:02:56 PM

Very solid game. On-foot missions are rather dull and tedious, but the driving is amazing. My only real gripe is the character of Max himself. Sure, the films don't exactly gave the creators much to work with, but in the game, Max is way too removed from both Gibson's and esp. Hardy's interpretation of the character for my taste.

edited 26th Jun '16 2:05:28 PM by TAPETRVE

Fear the cinnamon sugar swirl. By the Gods, fear it, Laurence.
Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#1570: Jun 26th 2016 at 2:17:40 PM

I think George Miller has said all Mad Max stories are just fables in-universe of a guy called Max to explain away discrepancies.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#1571: Jun 26th 2016 at 2:27:48 PM

They are fables called movies. tongue

TAPETRVE from The city of Vlurxtrznbnaxl Since: Jun, 2011 Relationship Status: She's holding a very large knife
#1572: Jun 26th 2016 at 7:32:56 PM

Yeah, Max is supposed to be sort of a Dread Pirate Roberts character, but the Max in the game is really anything but "mad", apart from the silly fog of war in his head, and since the game takes place within the Fury Road continuity, that is pretty much unforgivable in my opinion.

Fear the cinnamon sugar swirl. By the Gods, fear it, Laurence.
LeGarcon Blowout soon fellow Stalker from Skadovsk Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
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#1573: Jun 26th 2016 at 7:34:50 PM

Does it really? I thought it was some sort of Fury Road alternate universe where Max was just super grumpy and didn't wait for Furiosa to show up.

Oh really when?
dRoy Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar from Most likely from my study Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: I'm just high on the world
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#1574: Jun 26th 2016 at 7:55:40 PM

Ooh, this thread is back up again. Meaning, I'm obliged to gush!

Few things I noticed in my second viewing of the movie:

- In the fight between Max and Furiosa, I initially didn't notice The Dagnote  throwing Furiosa the wrench as a weapon. As well as the rest of the wives pulling Max/Nux's chains whenever they could, I thought it was a very nice moment of them being active in situations.

- When the deal with the Rock Riders go south and the War Rig started to move, Max hands Furiosa a rifle. In my first viewing, I didn't notice that Furiosa looking at Max strangely right after that, with Max looking at her back. It was obvious that their exchange of gaze meant somewhere along the line of "Yeah, well, we better cooperate or our asses are going to Valhala. Truce?" Another moment of Show, Don't Tell that I appreciate so much from this movie, I thought.

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#1575: Jun 26th 2016 at 8:03:17 PM

Re: The Dag. Apparently "the word "dag" is an Australian English term used as an affectionate insult for someone who is unfashionable, lacks self-consciousness about their appearance, and has poor social skills, yet is affable and amusing."

Looks are indeed a way that this movie communicates a lot without words. Also in the Rock Riders scene, there's the part where Cheedo starts reloading the rifle and Splendid looks at her surprised. Cheedo looks back in a way indicating surprise at her surprise, and this is all conveyed in a matter of seconds. In other blockbusters, this might've be done through quips ("you can reload?" "what, you can't?"), which would convey the same thing but deflate the tension by the casual talk.


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