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Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#26: Sep 10th 2019 at 12:39:15 PM

And from what I understand Lord British’s attempt at a Spiritual Successor to Ultima was...bad.

superboy313 Since: May, 2015
#27: Sep 10th 2019 at 5:00:55 PM

No. EA owns them outright already. What is there to bring back? Garriott moved on, Ultima and WC got sequels under EA and then the franchises retired after EA ran them into the ground.

You sure that another game developer can't buy their assets from EA and relaunch Origin?

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#28: Sep 10th 2019 at 5:24:31 PM

EA is outright using the name for their launcher and subscription service.

Why would they sell it to a competitor.

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#29: Sep 10th 2019 at 10:33:41 PM

[up][up]Pretty certain. The Ultima series doesn't have much of a presence in the modern game environment. It'd be easier to do a game with the same themes as Ultima than deal with the baggage.

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#30: Sep 10th 2019 at 10:35:24 PM

You'd also have to somehow wrangle it out of EA's hands, which would require a very fat paycheck. Not very economical.

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superboy313 Since: May, 2015
#31: Sep 10th 2019 at 11:10:01 PM

I see. What modern game studio can be considered the modern equivalent of Origin Systems?

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#32: Sep 10th 2019 at 11:18:20 PM

Bioware? Wait, no, EA owns them too.

Bethesda, maybe?

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#33: Sep 10th 2019 at 11:22:06 PM

Ew. Larian Studios is closer, I think. Though Divinity:Original Sin is closer to Baldur's Gate than Ultima.

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superboy313 Since: May, 2015
#34: Sep 11th 2019 at 12:15:04 AM

Speaking of Baldur's Gate, Larian is developing a third game.

ArsThaumaturgis Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
#35: Sep 11th 2019 at 7:36:32 AM

I might suggest Other Side Entertainment.

Their Underworld Ascendant takes after the Ultima Underworld games, and they're working on a new System Shock game.

(The former was alas met with a fairly poor reception, I gather; the latter at least is looking pretty good thus far, I think.)

Edited by ArsThaumaturgis on Sep 11th 2019 at 4:40:16 PM

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superboy313 Since: May, 2015
#36: Sep 17th 2019 at 1:44:01 PM

BioWare does feel like a spiritual successor to Origin Systems. Even if they are owned by EA.

Edited by superboy313 on Sep 17th 2019 at 12:48:17 AM

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#37: Sep 17th 2019 at 7:07:34 PM

[up]That actually makes them even more of a spiritual successor in a way.

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#38: Mar 6th 2022 at 2:29:46 AM

I'm casting "Awaken" on this thread!

Specifically, I was reading our page on the franchise today, and I noticed that we have the claim there that the Avatar and the "stranger" from the first three games are two different people.

Is there a source for that claim? My understanding is that there's little concrete evidence that the two are one and the same, but also none indicating that they aren't. However, I'm not confident enough in this for me to Be Bold without raising the matter with others first—hence this post.

I do know that the "Codex of Ultima Wisdom" fan-wiki indicates that they're the same, and I recall that (for what it's worth) Ultima IX indicates them to be the same, too.

Edited by ArsThaumaturgis on Mar 6th 2022 at 12:30:48 PM

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#39: Mar 6th 2022 at 9:41:31 AM

I remember the Ultima VII manual stating outright that they are the same person, and the Stranger became the Avatar over the course of Ultima IV.

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ArsThaumaturgis Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
#40: Mar 6th 2022 at 11:02:23 AM

Ah, that's a good point—I actually have the Ultima VII manual to hand! (I've been streaming it, for one thing.) I can thus check!

... And yup, it pretty much explicitly states the two figures to be the same.

Now, granted, the manual is written from the perspective of the game's villain, Batlin—but along with other items and a lack of an apparent reason to lie there, I'm inclined to take it as indicative.

Okay then, I think that I'll edit the page to reflect this (along with a few other bits of cleanup that I spotted).

Thank you for your input! ^_^

[edit] And 'tis done, I do believe! ^_^

Edited by ArsThaumaturgis on Mar 6th 2022 at 9:47:51 PM

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#41: May 11th 2022 at 12:09:03 PM

https://www.pcgamesn.com/ultima-online/nft-mmo

Lord British is making an NFT based MMO.

What an ivory tower this guy lives in.

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