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Delibirda from Splatsville Since: Sep, 2020 Relationship Status: I wanna be your dog
#401: Mar 23rd 2021 at 10:14:15 AM

I mean, as much as I hate to admit it, Spring Breakdown jeopardizes the possibility of the ship. Leaving it ambigous enough so that they can just be friends (boo!) isn't support either.

Edited by Delibirda on Mar 23rd 2021 at 6:16:27 PM

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rjd1922 Best robot boy | he/him | Image Pickin' regular, from the United States Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
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#402: Mar 29th 2021 at 4:08:22 AM

The description and one example on HoYay.My Gym Partners A Monkey seem off to me:

All gay moments in My Gym Partner's a Monkey. Note that in actuality, there never was any LGBT themes in the series, and that this whole list was compiled solely for fun and is not meant to be taken seriously in any way, whatsoever.

  • In "Up All Night", Jake confirmed that he was not in love with Adam, when Adam ended up kissing Jake, while dreaming of kissing Kerry, and Jake said to him. "Don't get me wrong Adam, I like you and all, but not that way." Since this denial happened, basically everything on this entire page is pretty much worthless.

Was that supposed to be sarcastic? Both were added by ~Grojfan.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#403: Mar 29th 2021 at 7:04:10 AM

Definitely delete the. They're pointlessly negative, Ho Yay is less about being intentional and how it comes off (and besides if it's explicitly lampshaded/denied it's a main-page trope of some kind), and the user in question was suspended.

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#404: Mar 29th 2021 at 9:26:40 AM

That item would be Homoerotic Subtext or Mistaken for Gay anyway for being lampshaded.

Besides, I imagine a moment like this wouldn't even be a case against Ho Yay in many fans' eyes, who'd ignore it or write it off as tsundere or something.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#405: Mar 29th 2021 at 9:31:13 AM

Grojfan was suspended for making a lot of edits in bad faith, so their word doesn't necessarily account for a whole lot anyway.

TheMountainKing Since: Jul, 2016
#406: Mar 29th 2021 at 5:11:07 PM

Clarifying that it's unintentional an not canon is bizarre, because Ho Yay has to be those things.

Troperr2016 Since: Jul, 2016
#407: Mar 30th 2021 at 10:20:20 AM

Lately i found out that an article from the Inverse online magazine was recently published consisting of an interview between the editor and the creators of the show Solar Opposites via Zoom. In it there was a Word of Gay confirmation that the characters Korvo and Terry had become a couple over the course of the first two seasons. There is a ho yay page that features the two of them that I made before I found out about the article since it was published after I made the page so I wonder if that page should be deleted because of this

Edited by Troperr2016 on Mar 30th 2021 at 10:22:59 AM

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#408: Mar 30th 2021 at 11:31:20 AM

The link in question: Solar Opposites

Qualifications aside a lot of these entries have major issues with grammar and punctuation.

Troperr2016 Since: Jul, 2016
#409: Mar 30th 2021 at 11:36:47 AM

Sorry about that. I mainly use a phone to type on this site. Anyway. I was just wondering about the qualifications for solar opposites now that the inverse article has been published

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rjd1922 Best robot boy | he/him | Image Pickin' regular, from the United States Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Love is for the living, Sal
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#410: Mar 30th 2021 at 11:42:47 AM

If the gay subtext started as unintentional and became Ascended Fanon, it still qualifies as Ho Yay before it became intentional.

I removed that bizarre non-example and weird description from My Gym Partner's a Monkey, by the way.

Edited by rjd1922 on Mar 30th 2021 at 1:44:25 PM

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Troperr2016 Since: Jul, 2016
#411: Mar 30th 2021 at 11:54:44 AM

Rjd 1922 are you talking about solar opposites in terms of gay subtext?

Edited by Troperr2016 on Mar 30th 2021 at 11:55:04 AM

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Troperr2016 Since: Jul, 2016
#412: Mar 31st 2021 at 10:45:13 AM

Just waiting for a response on opinion of the Solar opposites show. Again there was a Word of Gay confirmation on Korvo and Terry as a couple

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Troperr2016 Since: Jul, 2016
#413: Apr 1st 2021 at 1:28:30 PM

I’m thinking of removing the ho yay page from solar opposites and making a ship tease page for it instead due to the confirmation of Korvo and Terry as a couple. If I do the at I will transfer the Korvo and Terry example to the ship tease page including the image.

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Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#414: Apr 5th 2021 at 8:13:36 PM

Bringing up the following example from Superman Returns:

  • Ho Yay: Jimmy Olsen seems to be just a wee bit too fond of Clark Kent.

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#415: Apr 5th 2021 at 8:18:35 PM

[up] ZCE, could be valid if expanded upon.

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RainbowPumpqueen R A T (she/her) from Kalos Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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#416: Apr 5th 2021 at 9:28:31 PM

From Xiaolin Showdown:

In the episode "Chucky Choo", Dojo gets his family yo-yo back from Chucky and is so overjoyed that he ends up hugging Chucky and accidentally drags him into the tub Dojo was taking a bath in. The monks walk in on them and upon seeing Dojo and Chucky in the awkward position they were in, they immediately shut the door but not before showing weird expressions on their faces. Mistaken For Gay.

The Designated Girl Fight between Kimiko and Wuya. Kimiko seems to be seething while fighting human Wuya. During a fight in a volcano, Wuya places a target board on her behind, beckoning Kimiko to literally kick her ass. Feels flimsy. This is also an adult/minor example which I'm pretty sure isn't allowed.

Omi and Jack Spicer also show tons of Foe Yay towards each other. For context, Jack has a soft spot for Omi because Omi's the only one who believes in him, seems valid. It is kind of weird though because Jack is a teenager and Omi is like, eight.

In the time saga, Omi heads into a dystopian future and while there, he finds out that the future is ruled by Jack and in that future, he arranged to have Wuya suspended from the wall in a cheerleader outfit and chains up Chase Young while using machine on him that causes Chase to get his abdomen slathered in what appears to be butter.

  • Actually, Chase is being slathered in yellow paint. Chinese culture considers yellow colored bellies to be insulting. However this does not excuse how kinky the scene looks. Not sure if this is Ho Yay or Homoerotic Subtext, but I'm leaning towards the latter. Also Natter.

Dojo idolizes Master Fung a lot.

  • Dojo often gets jealous whenever someone other than him starts directly doing the kind things Dojo does towards Master Fung such as giving him tea.
  • In the "Chronicles" series, Dojo amps up the ho yay as he frequently cries at the drop of a hat whenever Master Fung leaves. Dojo even showed the hearts in the eyes expression towards Fung in the fourth episode and in the "Rocco" episode, he blatantly says "I love you" towards Fung. Considering Dojo called Rocco a "temple wrecker" in Chronicles, I'm pretty sure this belongs in Homoerotic Subtext.

Jack Spicer's behavior towards Chase Young is clearly more than just consisting of hero worship. Jack often paws and whines at Chase whenever Chase turns down Jacks offers to work together with him and Jack even had hearts in his eyes when talking to Chase at one point. Jack complimenting Chase's soft skin and muscles in Chronicles makes me think this belongs in Homoerotic Subtext.

Xiaolin Chronicles:

  • Ho Yay
    • Dojo and Master Fung. While in the original series there was subtext, in Chronicles however, it's blatant, to the point where Dojo calls Rocco a temple-wrecker when seeing him with Master Fung. This is the Homoerotic Subtext that I mentioned earlier.
    • Jack Spicer and Chase Young, carrying over from the original series. The first time Jack meets Chase again in Chronicles he compliments Chase's muscles and in a later episode, compliments his soft skin. More Homoerotic Subtext.
    • Les Yay: Shadow and Kimiko Tohomiko. There's even a point where Shadow promises Kimiko that she and her will have "a special relationship" someday. note  Seems valid?

The examples with Jack with Chase and Dojo with Master Fung can be moved to Homoerotic Subtext if they haven't been already. Xiaolin Showdown can be cut, and the example with Jack and Omi can be moved to Xiaolin Showdown's YMMV page.

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mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#417: Apr 5th 2021 at 9:30:53 PM

[up] Does subtext becoming more blatant in a follow-up series retroactively negate Ho Yay in the original series? I'm pretty sure even some examples from couples that became canon later in some series (like Friendship is Magic) are left in as long as the original subtext doesn't seem intentional.

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Klavice (Elder Troper)
#418: Apr 5th 2021 at 10:03:04 PM

We kept Scootaloo and Rainbow Dash from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic as Ho Yay despite it being incredibly one sided and also being a minor/adult example. As long as it falls more into Hero Worship I don't really see the issue with one sided Puppy Love.

Omi and Jack? I'd say that's No Yay, but it's not nearly as bad as an adult and a minor.

[up] We kept pre canon Tweek and Craig so I don't see the issue. And keep in mind, for the Xiaolin Showdown kids, we have kept kids being shipped with each other, South Park being a major one.

Edited by Klavice on Apr 5th 2021 at 10:05:18 AM

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#419: Apr 5th 2021 at 10:20:36 PM

[up] Worth noting that South Park Ho Yay is difficult to compare to Ho Yay between kid characters on kids' shows (especially pre-2010s ones), because South Park has lower censors and also is explicitly willing to put the child characters into gay or even homoerotic situations for lulz. But that also means there's often more obvious intention,

But the comparison to Tweek x Craig is valid here, and even makes this example look more valid by comparison, since in this example, these characters don't even seem to become canon.

Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 5th 2021 at 1:21:47 PM

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RainbowPumpqueen R A T (she/her) from Kalos Since: Apr, 2021 Relationship Status: Squeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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#420: Apr 5th 2021 at 10:27:22 PM

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Dojo's attachment to Master Fung is likely a reference to Chinese lore with dragons being fond of the elderly, they're both main characters who appear in the first episode and from what I remember the subtext was there since the start of the original series. If not, there wasn't really a demand to make them canon because one's a dragon and the other is a human, that'd be weird.

There is a large portion (or at least a vocal minority) of the fandom that ships Chase/Jack, but it never evolved into a relationship in canon. Word of God never commented on the ship so I doubt the fandom influenced anything. Stuff like this feels more intentional than not:

Jack: Look! He's touching my hand!

Xiaolin Showdown also aired on Kids WB! from 2003-2006 and Xiaolin Chronicles aired on Disney XD from 2013-2015. Jack is also a teenager while Chase is an adult, they couldn't make it canon if they wanted to.

"We kept Scootaloo/Rainbow Dash even though that was one sided and adult/minor"

The problem with the Wuya/Kimiko example was that it was reading unintentional subtext on Wuya's end, who is an adult. Chase/Jack is also and adult/minor example, but it's one sided on Jack's end.

Edited by RainbowPumpqueen on Apr 6th 2021 at 3:04:58 AM

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mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#421: Apr 5th 2021 at 10:31:18 PM

[up] Homoerotic Subtext usually has characters draw attention to this subtext in canon, or some Word of God statement, or other context clues making the parallels obvious. If there's nothing obvious, and you outright said the show probably wouldn't make it canon, then it can stay in Ho Yay.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#422: Apr 5th 2021 at 10:31:21 PM

As explained before, adult/minor examples can stay because audiences seeing subtext has absolutely nothing to do with how appropriate it is or not.

mightymewtron Word Up from New New York Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
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#423: Apr 5th 2021 at 10:36:23 PM

For what it's worth, we do have No Yay for uncomfortable subtext like that, if the audience sees it as uncomfortable.

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Troperr2016 Since: Jul, 2016
#424: Apr 6th 2021 at 5:03:21 PM

For solar opposites I want to know if it is okay to move the Terry and Korvo ho yay examples to a Ship Tease page since the creators of the show confirmed that they are a couple.

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Twiddler (On A Trope Odyssey)
#425: Apr 6th 2021 at 5:25:11 PM

[up] If they're not actually a couple at the start of the series, then that sounds like the right move. Only examples from before they become/are confirmed as a couple would count.


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