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fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#476: May 2nd 2013 at 11:10:32 PM

[up][up] I think he's more in disbelief over your deduction of gender ratio from output of yaoi fanworks.

edited 2nd May '13 11:11:20 PM by fillerdude

probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#477: May 2nd 2013 at 11:13:58 PM

[up]Eh, but I already said that there was a 4chan thread wherein at least 50% of the Titans anons singing the OP were girls.

That's where I got the 50-50 gender ratio from.

If just based on fanwork output. Of course, if there's more yaoi fanwork coming out of a fandom - that's a pretty good indicator that it's got a lot of female fans.

Yaoi fanworks dominate the Titans pixiv tag. You don't even need to count.

edited 2nd May '13 11:14:21 PM by probablyinsane

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fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#478: May 2nd 2013 at 11:52:03 PM

[up] Eh, don't explain it to me, explain it to the other guy. I already knew the 50-50 ratio was from your experience.

probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#479: May 2nd 2013 at 11:58:47 PM

[up] The other guy seems to be having issues with stuff I said months ago, when I had just found out how progressive Titans is.

Besides, I doubt he's going to believe me if I tell him that a common complaint over at 4chan is how much estrogen there is in Titans threads.

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#480: May 3rd 2013 at 12:05:57 AM

No, actually I will believe that because I'm naive and trusting. I just think you're letting your emotions lead you to statistical facts, which isn't a great place to get them. Of course, I already mentioned that the opening is memetic beyond the fanbase so I wouldn't count that as evidence of anything. Complaining about estrogen is an interesting datapoint, but all it indicates is that there's a perception. You've given me nothing quantitative to work with, and when you're directly comparing it to other series that matters. You didn't say "it has a lot of female fans" you said "it has a 50-50 ratio and that's a larger ratio than SAO and Persona 4 is closer to SNK than SAO." Which is an awful lot of data to get from your gut.

Of course even quantitative data can be misleading. I could point out that 70% of official Touhou manga artists are female, but that's actually kind of meaningless and doesn't properly represent the fandom.

edited 3rd May '13 12:07:46 AM by Clarste

probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#481: May 3rd 2013 at 12:16:20 AM

(blinks)

Oh hell, I hate semantic debates.

Look, I just use 50-50 mainly because it's easier to type than "has proportional numbers".

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#482: May 3rd 2013 at 12:22:40 AM

I don't see how "I don't like you pulling numbers out of your ass" is semantic, but I'll accept your revised estimate.

probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#483: May 3rd 2013 at 12:26:40 AM

You're insisting that I'm making up false numbers, just because I'm using numbers.

Also, FYI, I do not care whether you believe me or not. I've no regard for people who have issues with people who care about gender equality.

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fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#484: May 3rd 2013 at 12:37:15 AM

[up] No, he was saying your numbers aren't significant enough to support the notion of a 50:50 gender split in the fandom.

And he has no issues with people who care about gender equality, he's just pointing out that your "statistics" are probably biased (specifically referring to the 50:50 ratio, because SnK having lots of female fans is obvious).

Just clearing it up.

probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#485: May 3rd 2013 at 12:39:30 AM

[up] And I've already explained that I use 50-50 as a synonym for proportional numbers.

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Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#486: May 3rd 2013 at 12:39:41 AM

You're insisting that I'm making up false numbers, just because I'm using numbers.

...Yes? I don't think there's any hard information for what you're claiming

Also, FYI, I do not care whether you believe me or not. I've no regard for people who have issues with people who care about gender equality.

That's both uncalled for and humorously specific. But I'm pretty certain Clarste is just annoyed that you're making poorly backed-up claims

And I've already explained that I use 50-50 as a synonym for proportional numbers.

They mean the same thing. That really doesn't make anything better

edited 3rd May '13 12:40:46 AM by Hylarn

probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#487: May 3rd 2013 at 12:41:12 AM

Using numbers indicate hard data? Seriously?

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fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#488: May 3rd 2013 at 12:42:14 AM

[up][up][up] Yeah, and he's already accepted that.

[up][up] They're not false per se, they're just unsubstantiated.

[up] Actually, yes, it is pretty common to construe numbers for hard data. Especially ratios.

So, yeah, how about that Spring season. Nice shows eh?

edited 3rd May '13 12:43:53 AM by fillerdude

probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#489: May 3rd 2013 at 12:44:58 AM

I use 50-50, because I honestly think it would be more inaccurate to say that the fandom is mostly dudes or mostly gals.

4chan Titans threads, for example, has more or less equal lusting after both the female and male characters.

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fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#490: May 3rd 2013 at 12:48:35 AM

[up] I know, you've already explained that. (Plus it's rather obvious)

edited 3rd May '13 12:52:33 AM by fillerdude

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#491: May 3rd 2013 at 12:48:50 AM

You could have just said "has a lot of female fans".

UltimatelySubjective Since: Jun, 2011
#492: May 3rd 2013 at 12:55:36 AM

[up][up][up] You're kinda colouring in details to make a point which isn't all that important.

4Chan threads have less lusting after characters? Compared to what? At which times of day? How have you factored in the lusting threads that do turn up into your numbers? I don't buy that you can tell a person's gender when they're anonymous.

And it would be kinda sexist to imply all the guys lust after characters and that's how you can tell.

I think you should just wait until a proper chart shows up with facts. They'll still be damned statistics, but at least they'll be substantiated lies.

For now, why don't you just argue that you appreciate the lack of fanservice and believe it contributes to females and males liking the series?

KyleJacobs from DC - Southern efficiency, Northern charm Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
#493: May 3rd 2013 at 1:07:01 AM

So, Gargantia, Attack on Titan, Hatakaru Maou-sama... what else is good this season?

probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#494: May 3rd 2013 at 1:07:17 AM

[up][up]I track /a/ for Titan threads quite a bit. Sometimes, it even looks like yaoi is overshadowing the yuri and het.

About three weeks ago, I've also seen accusations about how Titans is fujoshit cause it has so many female fans. Also, arguments in the sales thread about how fujoshi is also backing the Titans preorders.

Anyway, really to me, it looks like it has proportional male and female fans (thus 50-50).

Btw, I'm not saying this as hard fact either.

edited 3rd May '13 1:07:28 AM by probablyinsane

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fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#495: May 3rd 2013 at 1:08:18 AM

@ US He wasn't actually trying to give statistics, it was just his (admittedly weird) way of saying the show had a large female following.

edited 3rd May '13 1:09:54 AM by fillerdude

probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#496: May 3rd 2013 at 1:10:42 AM

Hey, it wasn't me who started with 50-50 either. I first saw it over at 4chan, then over here at TV Tropes.

Also, it's easier to believe that the fandom is 50-50 to explain the dominance of Titans yaoi fanworks.

edited 3rd May '13 1:11:03 AM by probablyinsane

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Hylarn (Don’t ask)
#497: May 3rd 2013 at 1:13:02 AM

So, Gargantia, Attack on Titan, Hatakaru Maou-sama... what else is good this season?

I think those are all of the ones that are generally accepted as good. After that it depends more on what you're personally interested in

fillerdude Since: Jul, 2010
#498: May 3rd 2013 at 1:16:46 AM

it's easier to believe that the fandom is 50-50 to explain the dominance of Titans yaoi fanworks

I can see what you're getting at, just that I wouldn't say "50-50".

So, Gargantia, Attack on Titan, Hatakaru Maou-sama... what else is good this season?

Those are pretty much the top 3. For the others, well, what catches your eye?

probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#499: May 3rd 2013 at 1:26:30 AM

Heh, I just don't get the hang-up over using numbers. For me, 50-50 means more or less equal.

Besides, is a 50-50 fandom for a shonen work so hard to believe? I've long since had the impression that the Naruto and Bleach fandoms are 50-50. Also, FMA. And these days, even EVA.

edited 3rd May '13 1:26:45 AM by probablyinsane

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Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
One Winged Egret
#500: May 3rd 2013 at 1:33:01 AM

No one said it was hard to believe. That's never been the issue. As I've already said, I just dislike it when people pull numbers out of their asses to justify their own fandoms.

And 50-50 is a lot more specific than you seem to think it is.

edited 3rd May '13 1:33:42 AM by Clarste


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