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On TV Tropes, it's very common for editors to misuse appearance tropes, as well as tropes whose names make them sound like they could be appearance tropes.

Meaningful Appearance tropes are often misused in ways that overlook the "Meaningful" aspect, resulting in Zero Context Examples and misuse in the form of examples that have no meaning even if the tropes themselves are not People Sit on Chairs.

The Appearance Tropes Cleanup sandbox covers tropes with potential issues. Tropes that simply require cleanup will go through this thread, while tropes that require more significant action will have to go through the Trope Repair Shop.

April 2, 2023 update: This thread is no longer for making changes to tropes, and was brought back from the Projects Morgue solely for cleanup. Making changes to tropes is still a job for the Trope Repair Shop.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 2nd 2023 at 9:18:26 AM

WhirlRX Since: Jan, 2015
#2401: Jan 20th 2020 at 4:52:25 AM

[up][up]See, that second example you gave on a job makes it a Chair. There are jobs that require you to wear head gear like construction.

4tell0life4 Since: Mar, 2018 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
#2402: Jan 20th 2020 at 5:56:09 AM

[up] that simply isn't chairs. It's a shorthand, a concept that's used in many other tropes, why not this one?

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#2403: Jan 20th 2020 at 6:28:44 AM

I think that concept is a little to broad to be useful. What's being symbolized needs to be a little more narrow than that. A person wearing something on their because its part of their job isn't really what I call symbolic. A skullpin by itself wouldn't really signify someone is goth when its just parts of a whole.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#2404: Jan 20th 2020 at 7:41:40 AM

In the same way a Robe and Wizard Hat is short hand for ‘Your a wizard, Harry”, Cute hair decs are short hand for trying to make yourself cute and/or an other sign of personality. From giant wreaths of fake flowers[1] down to the little hair clips that don’t actually do anything, girls AND guys [2].

If they are just strictly functional they tend to be temporary or just small ties that blend in, not this. these are flashy and extremely visible. The characters tend to be still a bit childish (Tsundere is common) and are not the proper type as those wear the plain Hime Cut with no decs or something close to it.

I mean, this serves no other purpose than looking cute. for example.

Edited by Memers on Jan 20th 2020 at 7:54:59 AM

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#2405: Jan 20th 2020 at 10:08:03 AM

I have at least a couple of examples locked and loaded for Symbolic Hair Decoration if/when it's launched, and I suspect 4tell may have at least one of the same ones in mind.

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#2406: Jan 20th 2020 at 10:15:00 AM

if we do end putting those tropes into the TLP (it looks like that what is going to happen), could we work on another trope in the meantime until they launch?

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naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#2407: Jan 20th 2020 at 11:17:48 AM

[up][up][up]I'm with Memers in that this is a tropeworthy concept. I think a lot of the problem with Hair Decorations is that the name implies that the trope is about hair decorations just existing. The question is, would these uses be covered by a Symbolic Hair Decorations trope?

Another option (which isn't in the crowner) would be to keep (or keep+rename) Hair Decorations and give it an Example Sectionectomy. I think the current description is actually pretty good in terms of analyzing the role these play in animation, but as has been pointed out people don't seem to be capable of using it correctly.

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#2408: Jan 20th 2020 at 11:27:28 AM

[up] What about making it a useful notes page like Hat Shop?

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naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#2409: Jan 20th 2020 at 11:35:27 AM

[up]Hat shop is about actual hats in real life. Hair Decorations is about hair decorations used as a convention in fiction (either for characterization or as an animation style). Trope pages are for analysis of conventions in media, useful notes is for real life stuff.

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#2410: Jan 20th 2020 at 2:16:28 PM

[up][up] That would be about hair decs in real life.

Usage in media is a trope.

And this one is especially clear in drawn media, shows aimed at girls love it because cuteness is justice.

For all the Pretty Cure series there is only 1 who doesn't actually wear one in any fashion, Cure Black, the one whos arc is that she is outwardly a tomboy Lacrosse brute of the highest order till she finds a boy she likes and the roles switch.

Edited by Memers on Jan 20th 2020 at 2:49:03 AM

naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#2411: Jan 25th 2020 at 7:12:56 PM

Just stumbled across Distinctive Appearances which needs some wiki magic love. I think this can/should be an index/supertrope to a whole bunch of appearance tropes, similar to Meaningful Appearance. If Hair Decorations is cut, some examples could be moved there. The proposed iconic headwear trope would also be a subtrope.

Another thing to consider would be to make a Stock Moe Appearance trope that we could fold some tropes into including Hair Decorations.

Edited by naturalironist on Jan 25th 2020 at 10:15:16 AM

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#2412: Jan 25th 2020 at 7:58:21 PM

[up] That would be quite the project. There is a very large spectrum of Moe stereotypes and visuals to match along side well damn near every other anime stereotype.

There are at least 20 different dere types with visual stereotypes and that's not even getting into the other types of 'moe'.

Ones that come to mind from the Deres. Undere and Deredere are the two types that are almost always with hair decs, Tsundere is hit or miss depending on the type and who they are directly inspired by. Dandere, Byoukidere, Darudere, and Hinedere usually stay FAR away from them.

Edited by Memers on Jan 25th 2020 at 8:12:03 AM

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#2413: Jan 25th 2020 at 9:23:38 PM

[up][up] I think Rule of Cute would cover it...

And by the way, Distinctive Appearances are about making people look (strikingly) different from each other. I don't know how it can become an index...

Edited by 4tell0life4 on Jan 25th 2020 at 9:25:05 AM

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#2414: Jan 25th 2020 at 9:58:43 PM

[up] Unique Hair Decs themselves are one of the ways to make Distinctive Appearances. Hair decs themselves are always unique to 1 person in the work, even twins will change the hair decs up slightly so its an easy tell.

The very rare School Uniform decs tend to be varied too.

Brainstorming an index.

Edited by Memers on Jan 25th 2020 at 10:04:25 AM

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#2415: Jan 26th 2020 at 1:04:46 AM

[up] most of what you listed sound like they'll go into Flashy Protagonists, Bland Extras instead

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#2416: Jan 26th 2020 at 2:46:32 AM

[up] One of the points yeah, it would go on the index, that trope is horribly underused.

But the big point of the other is they are extremely different from each other too in various ways.

Edited by Memers on Jan 26th 2020 at 4:20:24 AM

naturalironist from The Information Superhighway Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
acrobox Since: Nov, 2010
#2418: Jan 26th 2020 at 10:37:38 AM

I'd personally caution against splitting too much since that'll end up with a lot of misused or underused tropes. i.e. we're usually not so granular as to have distinct tropes from 20 different types of dere.

Like what's the overarching signal that the hair decs or any other distinct headgear are getting across?

Is it enough to have Dere Hair Decs if you want to go down that route, and then separately Cutesy Hair Decs for general Moe, cuteness or Idols? Then which of the 20 types of dere it means can just be context that you write out so its not a list of ZC Es.

And split things like Nice Hat up similarly.

As far as making characters unique those seem like they go under Anime Hair, Plot Tailored to the Party, An Economy Is You, Weapon Of Choice, Flashy Protagonists, Bland Extras etc.

Edited by acrobox on Jan 26th 2020 at 10:41:36 AM

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#2419: Jan 26th 2020 at 3:19:32 PM

I'd go with Dere Hair Decs for one of the subtropes detailing what kind of accessories (or Hairstyles) areassociated with each -dere type, but I must ask how many other types of Moe there are (broadly speaking as what [up] said, we shouldn't be too specific).

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#2420: Jan 26th 2020 at 5:52:49 PM

By the way, read Ridiculously Similar Trope for why we should make the ideas (for the proposed split) really distinct.

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#2421: Jan 26th 2020 at 6:18:55 PM

My idea for the Moe thing was to make a single, Analysis-style page to analyze all the character design elements that are distinctive to or typical of Moe. It could discuss existing tropes like Tareme Eyes in addition to tropes that we don't have such as the suggested Dere Hair Decs thing.

I wasn't suggesting that we make a ton of new Moe-specific appearance tropes, and I'm actually against that idea. This would just be a way to retain some of the information from tropes that end up getting cut in this thread because people aren't capable of using them correctly.

Edited by naturalironist on Jan 26th 2020 at 9:19:04 AM

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#2423: Jan 26th 2020 at 10:43:05 PM

[up][up]That really doesn't work well as well a lot of the 'Moe' visual tropes already exist and are used in various other areas.

Our usage here is just the pejorative term for the shifting pattern of younger "adorably cute, just a bit sexually appealing, and self-conscious but not yet cynical" characters. And every few years its shifting.

  • Hair decs help invoke the younger adorably cute portion, but not overwhelmingly so as to drown out the other sexual appeal elements, hence my support of a Every Girl Is Cuter With Hair Decs.
  • Zettai Ryouiki slides that 'little bit sexually appealing part'.
  • Puni Plush is the moe 'baby fat' artstyle.
  • Tareme Eyes as well is well an equivalent to always on Puppy-Dog Eyes. Tsurime Eyes lean on the tsundere...
  • Meganenekko, well self explanatory.
  • Luminescent Blush vs Blush Stickers
  • Height, the shorter the cuter and the taller the more they must lean on personality for cuteness and less they gotta add for sex appeal.
  • Hairstyles such as high Ponytail, low ponytail, twin tail, Hime Cut, lazy short hair and many more which point to different types of moe.

Also about 1/8th the Dere tropes exist and nothing really for the various visual 'cracking' between X and dere that is the actual 'Moe' element. IE the images on Tsurime Eyes and Luminescent Blush show the Tsun to Dere cracking.

They arn't exclusively bound to 'Moe', nothing is, would hate to lose all these pages.

EDIT: oh boy Puni Plush is sooo underused, wth I remember that trope being quite large.

Edited by Memers on Jan 26th 2020 at 11:12:37 AM

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#2424: Jan 26th 2020 at 11:30:35 PM

Even the trope itself is written for cuter with hair decs with lines like

Sometimes this overlaps with Tertiary Sexual Characteristics: you know it's a girl because she has hair decorations. Naturally, she'll be cuter.


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