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Prematurely launched pages, pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through YKTTW for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, no crosswicking etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages. Launches

edited 8th Aug '17 10:10:12 AM by SeptimusHeap

SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Jun 19th 2014 at 12:40:40 AM

Today's worklist:

Also, ~Tropers/ Miss Mokushiroku went around and broke a number of redirects, leaving blank pages and mistyped pages behind. I've already messaged them.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Larkmarn Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Jun 19th 2014 at 2:57:44 PM

Sleep With A Guy And He Goes Evil: Launched with no hats, ongoing discussion about both the name and tropeability, and doesn't have great formatting. Seems like a clear "Cut and send back to YKTTW" to me.

Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Jun 19th 2014 at 3:56:28 PM

Sleep With Aguy And He Goes Evil: Agree; cut the page and bounce the concept back to YKTTW for more work. I've called the launcher in for a conversation.

edited 19th Jun '14 4:02:16 PM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Jun 20th 2014 at 12:45:52 AM

Regarding Self Destruct As Failsafe, nobody has cutlisted that yet, I see. Speaking of cutlist, we are getting another backlog there.

Worklist:

Also, Nate is still around <sigh>

edited 20th Jun '14 12:46:28 AM by SeptimusHeap

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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Jun 20th 2014 at 12:58:42 AM

Yes, I am sure it's the right title, because the actual title of the paper is way too long to fit in the article title of this wiki, while simply "MDA" is extremely uninformative. :)

Larkmarn Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Jun 20th 2014 at 5:45:41 AM

[up][up] I've been waiting for a mod to unlaunch Self Destruct As Failsafe before I cutlist it. I've asked on ATT and bumped it a couple times but no one has.

EDIT: Actually, someone has cutlisted it. A few days ago. Wasn't me, though.

edited 20th Jun '14 11:21:07 AM by Larkmarn

SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Jun 20th 2014 at 11:37:05 PM

Today's (somewhat accellerated) worklist:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Jun 22nd 2014 at 12:50:03 AM

Today's worklist, aside from business from the 19th of June, is not long:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Jun 22nd 2014 at 6:34:55 AM

This Index Is On Purpose: tally of opinions since page 72

Keep Cut
~Elyandarin Created the page, no response to PM.   
   ~crazysamaritan The definition is already covered by Bad Writing Index
   ~El Bruno duplicate stub
~Catbert Tropes don't overlap   
~Mag Bas definition says "always intentional", and Bad Writing cannot always be intentional   
   ~Larkmarn Name is useless: applies to all tropes

Catbert & Mag Bas: can either of you two re-write the definition so that it is something other than a bad duplicate of Bad Writing Index? Those of us in favour of cutting would also prefer a better name. If you make a YKTTW draft, I'll help. But as the page currently stands, I don't see any use.

edited 22nd Jun '14 6:35:38 AM by crazysamaritan

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Jun 22nd 2014 at 2:22:49 PM

[up]I'll think about it some.

SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Jun 23rd 2014 at 11:12:16 AM

Today's worklist, delayed by the pending of a few Google Wall To-Dos:

Unrelated to this, given how many people are using Web Original as an index for new work pages even though that index is supposedly deprecated, it may need a clean up effort on its own.

edited 23rd Jun '14 11:12:34 AM by SeptimusHeap

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Jun 24th 2014 at 12:25:42 AM

Today's worklist includes a few older items:

Also, someone ought to help ~haloarh index EZ Streets; screwing around with page types is not the right way.

Finally, regarding Neon Genesis Evangelion, I'll probably post that to the show thread - a disambig is not what that namespace is for.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Jun 24th 2014 at 11:41:02 PM

Slightly accellerated reviews, today.

First off, with reference to an Ask The Tropers report today by ~mlsmithca, ~On The Tropes Nick (the person behind the TV Tropes podcast) went around and made a bunch of malformed unindexed Podcast/ subpages like Podcast.No Plot No Problem that are completely different from the standard Podcast/ pages. Was there any discussion about this?

Worklist:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Jun 25th 2014 at 12:16:40 AM

I'm assuming in both my ATT post and in this post that, if those even deserve their own pages, they certainly don't go in the Podcast/ namespace (is there enough content for them even to merit pages in the Recap/ namespace?), but as they consist solely of sets of links to the different hosts for the podcast, they seem to qualify as stubs anyway, and should just be cut. (And they have multiple formatting problems, to boot.)

As I said in ATT, I haven't sent On the Tropes Nick a PM as I'm honestly not sure how to phrase what he (or she) has done wrong, partly because I'm not entirely sure of which rules have been broken.

OnTheTropesNick Podcaster Guy from Akron
Podcaster Guy
Jun 25th 2014 at 4:35:36 AM

Hey there, So maybe I just should explain was I was TRYING to go for and you can let me know where I went wrong. Basically, I was just trying to make it so that on the pages of tropes we've reviewed, there would be the little podcast icon in the subpages section at the top for an easy link to the show. Is there a different (better) way to do this?

Very sorry for the hassle, hope I didn't piss anyone off. I'm not very computer literate, obviously. -Nick

http://onthetropes.podomatic.com
SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Jun 25th 2014 at 4:47:48 AM

~On The Tropes Nick, seems like what you want is that pages you've reviewed to reference that. Given that Eddie has already set up a default button linking to WikiSandbox.OTT on every page, you may want to ask him if he can rig up a system that automatically references the reviews on the reviewed pages. Using the podcast icon for that is a bad idea since a) it's at odds with how the Podcast/ namespace is used and confusing and b) the pages are - by wiki work page standards - pretty bad.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
OnTheTropesNick Podcaster Guy from Akron
Podcaster Guy
Jun 25th 2014 at 4:52:09 AM

Will do. Thanks, sorry for the trouble

http://onthetropes.podomatic.com
SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Jun 25th 2014 at 4:54:46 AM

One last thing, we still need to fix On The Tropes (it doesn't go into that namespace, for starters) and the podcast pages.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
OnTheTropesNick Podcaster Guy from Akron
Podcaster Guy
Jun 25th 2014 at 5:41:29 AM

Should I do that? I'm willing to, but loathe to butcher something else in the process

http://onthetropes.podomatic.com
SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
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Jun 25th 2014 at 5:43:49 AM

On The Tropes can easily go to Recap.On The Tropes - that is the normal place for episode lists. As for the Podcast/ pages, I support a cut.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
OnTheTropesNick Podcaster Guy from Akron
Jun 25th 2014 at 11:39:08 AM

Also, if you were to recreate the recap page in the proper namespace, please use the correct namespaces for each work mentioned rather than using the Main/ redirects. No movie should be linked without the Film/ namespace, for example, and so on.

Jun 25th 2014 at 11:17:31 PM

Looks like the intention was simple enough. Direct people to the OTT show which discussed a particular work.

There are some issues that need to be addressed, though. A given show can cover more than one work, so we can't key off the work's title. OTT/Avatar, for example, would only be able to take us to one show. If another work was referred to in the same show we wouldn't be able to get to it.

Then there is the case where Avatar is referred to in multiple shows.

How about this, then: We put up an OTT/ namespace. The things in that namespace will be pages about individual podcasts, by the podcast title. The page will have a list of shows referred to. I'll then do a markup that causes a list of pages to be maintained. (Similar to how the index markup maintains a list of pages.)

This list will allow multiple entries for a work, as long as the podcast title is unique for the combination of work title and podcast title.

The work's page will then be able to put up an icon for each podcast page referring to the work.

It'll take a week or so to implement all this.

Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Jun 25th 2014 at 11:45:37 PM

I wish I'd seen this before I put the pages back on the cutlist (I'm assuming their disappearance with no verdict was at least partly your doing, Eddie?).

The idea for a dedicated OTT namespace sounds like a good one if the object, as I think I understand it to be, is to highlight the pages that have been mentioned in the podcast. That said, Nick, if I may make a suggestion, give the various page creation pages in the Administrivia/ namespace a thorough read to get an idea of what constitutes widely-used standards of formatting for page creation and structure; the original versions were rather wide of the mark when it came to indentation and formatting links within the wiki.

edited 25th Jun '14 11:48:15 PM by mlsmithca

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Jun 26th 2014 at 12:25:52 AM

On the podcast thing, seems like the suggestion in @1923 is that the podcasts should get their own pages. Each of these pages will list works referred to - and a mechanism that will reference the podcasts on work pages the podcasts refer to.

That seems like a good solution. I presume that it will render the current Podcast/ pages unnecessary.

Otherwise: Today's worklist:

Someone might want to talk to 66genius, by the way - they frequently forget to index or crosswick their pages.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

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