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Prematurely launched pages, pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through YKTTW for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, no crosswicking etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages. Launches

edited 8th Aug '17 10:10:12 AM by SeptimusHeap

SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
PCNA
Jun 4th 2014 at 10:25:46 PM

I do agree with the cutting of that page. As for messaging, I already called them here (hence the "~" in my post) but it may be useful to call them again.

I'll have to post today's review later in the afternoon - lots of college work.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
PCNA
Jun 6th 2014 at 4:27:10 AM

So there was no review yesterday. Let's try for today:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
Jun 6th 2014 at 5:01:31 AM

Goody Two Shoes: Cut. Not only is it a stub, but it basically reads as "Mary Sue but you like them", which is not the way the phrase is generally used. In common usage, it's not generally a compliment and it isn't about someone who's perfect. It's someone who is ostentatiously virtuous and well-behaved, to the point of being annoying.

edited 6th Jun '14 5:04:56 AM by Madrugada

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
m8e from Sweden Relationship Status: Wanna dance with somebody
Jun 6th 2014 at 5:54:24 AM

Manga.Digimon could stay as an disambiguation page.

SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
PCNA
Jun 7th 2014 at 4:37:27 AM

Today's worklist:

Also, ~Rebel Fleet Troper has been going around and creating various Useful Notes pages on national armies that a) don't mention any in work usages and b) are fairly stubby.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Jun 7th 2014 at 6:09:14 AM

~Rebel Fleet Trooper won't have gotten a message because of the 5 person limitation, I think.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
PCNA
Jun 7th 2014 at 6:10:31 AM

Huh - my mailbox shows 6 outgoing messages.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Jinxmenow Ghosts N' Stuff Remix from everywhere you look, everywhere you look Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
Ghosts N' Stuff Remix
Jun 7th 2014 at 7:28:10 AM

I have crosswicked all the tropes. I am not yet sure how this game should be indexed. I have also fixed the ZCE's.

edited 7th Jun '14 8:00:19 AM by Jinxmenow

"Monsters are tragic beings. They are born too tall, too strong, too heavy. They are not evil by choice. That is their tragedy."
Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
Jun 7th 2014 at 12:22:12 PM

I'll keep working on expanding those Useful Notes pages before I start any more. I didn't have time to flesh them out more on the spot and because we're dealing with real life I'd rather be sure I'm fact-checking accurately than go fast and possibly have an inaccurate page.

I should also be able to get works listed on all of them, but if I may ask, is lack of works referenced considered a major issue for a Useful Notes page? Many of the existing Forces with Firepower pages, including some fairly long and/or well established ones, list either no works or only one or two...

Jun 7th 2014 at 4:57:41 PM

I created the page, started writing, then had a total head blank and never got round to doing anything with it. Sorry about that.

Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
Jun 7th 2014 at 10:55:25 PM

[up][up]Then those pages need work.

Since the point of TV Tropes is how stuff is used in fiction, the Useful Notes pages are for reference on how this RL thing is used as an element in telling a story. A couple times in the past, some have tried to use them as a 'document all the history' thing, or worse, for insisting on their own slant on often volatile subjects. That's why there needs to be some works, to show where the subject is used in media. 'Rule of Three' works should be sufficient

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
PCNA
Jun 9th 2014 at 1:47:42 AM

Worklist for today:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
keyblade333 Weeb who makes too many mistakes. from In the void between worlds. Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Weeb who makes too many mistakes.
Jun 9th 2014 at 1:50:17 AM

Regarding Aesthetic Gamer, I'm aware that its properly Aesthetic Gamer, but the issue at hand is that it links to a non-existent trope page. I was trying to avoid that, my bad!

Give me Muramasa
crazysamaritan Could we just... not have Death anymore? from Lupin III
Could we just... not have Death anymore?
Jun 9th 2014 at 3:43:21 AM

The problem, ~keyblade333, is that the page should be on LetsPlay.Aesthetic Gamer, not on Main.Aesthetic Gamer, and it needs to be indexed on pages like Let's Play and examples like the games they've made videos for.

Main vs LetsPlay is a Name Space issue. Indexing is for organizing pages, and examples are the entire point of the page. (Then there's Cross Wicking)

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Jinxmenow Ghosts N' Stuff Remix from everywhere you look, everywhere you look Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
Ghosts N' Stuff Remix
Jun 9th 2014 at 8:37:14 AM

I think the even bigger problem than the wrong namespace is that there are no fucking tropes on the page

"Monsters are tragic beings. They are born too tall, too strong, too heavy. They are not evil by choice. That is their tragedy."
keyblade333 Weeb who makes too many mistakes. from In the void between worlds. Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
Weeb who makes too many mistakes.
Jun 9th 2014 at 10:58:19 AM

I agree on the moving to a Lets Play. That was my fault for not realizing it and as for a lack of tropes, I'm going to work on that first chance I get.

Give me Muramasa
Larkmarn Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Jun 9th 2014 at 11:40:03 AM

Main.Back To Black: It's a trope page for an album. I assume it'd be in the Music/ namespace, but I honestly don't know why it wouldn't just go on the Music.Amy Winehouse page.

SeptimusHeap PCNA from Switzerland Relationship Status: Mu
PCNA
Jun 9th 2014 at 9:23:36 PM

FYI, I've cutlisted Aesthetic Gamer since we don't keep misnamespaced stub work pages.

The worklist for the 10th of June will happen a bit earlier than usual:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Jun 10th 2014 at 2:38:31 AM

Hey about Back To Black I am sorry its a bit rubbish, but its my first article so I was hoping more experienced tropers could just clean it up after I had done most of it. For instance I don't know how to index or upload a picture. Sorry about that I promise I wont create another article until I am 100 percent ready that was very unprofessional of me. Anyway Back To Black definitely does warrant its own page it should not just be put on the Amy Winehouse page like Larkmarn suggested. Back to Black is every bit as significant an album as most of the ones that have their own page. Its a lot more significant than Christopher Lee's. I mean don't get me wrong I love Christopher Lee too I have all of his Dracula films (my fave is Taste the Blood of Dracula), but come on here Back to Black had a far bigger impact. The Back To Black page should be tidied up rather than deleted. As for Frank sorry I messed up in calling it Frank Album that's only because there was another thing called frank. If I start it again what should I call it to separate it from the other thing called Frank any ideas? Maybe Frank (album)? Any way if the Christopher Lee album that most people haven't heard of deserves a page then so do both Frank and Back to Black.

edited 10th Jun '14 2:52:33 AM by josephwilson

Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
Jun 10th 2014 at 3:15:19 AM

Helpful Links: Administrivia.How To Create A Works Page, Administrivia.How To Write An Example

You can use YKTTW or the Sandbox namespace to work on a page and attract Wiki Magic without getting it reported as badly made or a stub.

Coming back to where you started is not the same as never leaving. -Terry Pratchett
Jun 10th 2014 at 4:38:11 AM

Okay thanks for that Candi, but I still think it would be better for me to just try and fix up Back To Black rather than delete it or merge it into Amy Winehouse. In future though I will definitely follow your advice I kinda rushed in there too fast and sorry if I messed up the wiki as a result.

Larkmarn Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
Jun 10th 2014 at 5:42:38 AM

So since josephwilson has made the page less stubby, I no longer support a hard cut, but it still needs to be moved to the proper namespace. Do albums just go under Music/?

That said, joseph, you do need a bit of work on your examples. Most of them lack context (the examples should explain WHY the trope applies to the work. Honestly, some of them really... don't seem to fit, but it's impossible to say because you don't explain the context. Take a gander at the links Candi provided, they're great resources.

Jun 10th 2014 at 5:47:12 AM

Thanks guys for the advice I will work on cleaning the page up and I will need to learn how to put it in the right namespace and tidy up several of the examples.

Jun 10th 2014 at 7:26:56 AM

Septimus, thanks for posting my beginning of Born To Fight - as I said in my recent comment; it's a fair movie that's pretty troperiffic, if not too much, but it does have Stone Cold Steve Austin in it, and in certain circles he's fairly popular (I'm a big fan myself), and just on a whim I searched Netflix for his name and saw this movie; it seems a strange hybrid of The Karate Kid meets Rocky in Canada... Would appreciate your and others' help, but if it's going nowhere, feel free to cut it. It's pretty similar to both of the above-named movies.


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