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TLP Crash Rescue - Fixing prematurely launched TLPs and pages

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Prematurely launched pages and pages that weren't fully fleshed out at the point of launching, are a big problem. Since these usually share several problems at once, this thread is aimed at re-running them through the TLP for fixing - the usual fix - or cutting them if they are too bad.

Problems this thread deals with include bad names, not enough/bad examples, unclear description, etc.

For the interested, here's a list of recently created pages. Launches

Note: Please do not request a mod to unlaunch drafts that don't have any issues besides lacking a launch notice/24hr launch notice. While 24hr launch notices are mandatory, there are a few exceptions to the rule. If you see a draft's sponsor launch a TLP without an announcement, it's best to remind them of our TLP Guidelines first. If they continue to repeatedly launch drafts without a launch notice, you can report them on Ask The Tropers or the TLP Community Issues thread.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 24th 2023 at 12:24:55 PM

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1701: May 1st 2014 at 7:31:28 AM

Primarily the Page Types Change tool, and that one resets every new month, "polluting" the list. Also, it takes forever to load.

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#1702: May 2nd 2014 at 6:50:13 AM

Zashiki-warashi was Hollered for plagiarism from Wikipedia. What's the deal with that one? I suggest cutting, as it doesn't seem to have gone through YKTTW and is another of those shoehorned Japanese trope titles.

edited 2nd May '14 6:50:47 AM by Fighteer

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ShanghaiSlave Giver of Lame Names from YKTTW Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
#1703: May 2nd 2014 at 7:19:14 AM

[up] shoehorned? it's a type of Yōkai. that said, I agree wit a cut. the species should just be put somewhere in the Yōkai page, it's not common eitherway.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1704: May 2nd 2014 at 8:23:40 AM

Worklist:

  • The Beast: By ~Premonition45 needs some reverse crosswicking still.
  • Hans And Hime: Stubby work page; creator messaged.
  • Nuzlocke After Armageddon: Stub article by ~Pouncivalfan1321; I'll call them here.
  • Stay The Fanfic: Needs still some work done.
  • Zashiki-warashi: That trope has a Japanese name because it's a type of Japanese supernatural creature. It can't be named differently. It's also a plagiate, yes, and it was a stub when it was created so it came up here in this thread. I favour cutting and asking the creator to run it through YKTTW - as well as pushing on the page creation overhaul.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1705: May 4th 2014 at 1:33:02 AM

Today's one day late worklist:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1706: May 6th 2014 at 12:09:36 AM

OK, I've received no input on the past few pages. Let's hope that this worklist gets more input:

Also, from my issue messaging it seems to me that a lot of people think that "Indexing" means "turn something into an index"; I've added a sentence about it on How Indexing Works, hopefully that helps.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
MyTrainIsOff Impossible from The Circus Since: Jul, 2010
Impossible
#1707: May 6th 2014 at 4:05:34 AM

Yeah, I'll fix it [tup], if not tomarrow, this weekend!

Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#1708: May 6th 2014 at 6:08:35 AM

[up] My question is, do youkai need individual pages?

We've also got an Umbrella Ghost page in YKTTW. I don't really see the need for pages on individual youkai, especially since the examples are largely just "this appears in this work."

Also, I know there's no such thing as notability but... surely we should have some sort of requirements for qualifying for an SD page: SelfDemonstrating.Charizard.

edited 6th May '14 7:36:11 AM by Larkmarn

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ShanghaiSlave Giver of Lame Names from YKTTW Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#1710: May 6th 2014 at 9:48:43 AM

... okay, your post and your avatar match way too damn well. That's hilarious.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1711: May 6th 2014 at 11:36:29 PM

On the Yōkai: While I can see Youkai-specific pages, I am worried about it encouraging ZCE examples because of people believing that the more specific names substitute for context. Also, the page under discussion here is plagiarized so it can be cut either way.

Anyhoo, today's worklist:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
KnightofNASA Since: Jan, 2013
#1712: May 6th 2014 at 11:39:57 PM

I just moved the namespace for the myth because it is listed under Useful Notes. It seriously need some rewriting though, but I am not too familiar with the subject.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1713: May 7th 2014 at 1:13:24 PM

Two more articles:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1714: May 8th 2014 at 4:15:45 AM

Today's worklist is up:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1715: May 9th 2014 at 6:06:01 AM

Today's worklist is up. Some items are older:

edited 9th May '14 6:07:27 AM by SeptimusHeap

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#1716: May 9th 2014 at 9:00:39 AM

Crowning Moment Of Heartbreaking is basically described on the page as Tear Jerker But More!. As such, it is useless and needs to be cut. The formatting is also horrible. Point the page creator to The Same, but More, Creating New Pages, YKTTW Guidelines and Text Formatting Rules.

edited 9th May '14 9:04:40 AM by Catbert

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#1717: May 9th 2014 at 11:15:17 AM

Agree with "cut Heartbreaking". It's Tearjerking all over again.

mlsmithca (Edited uphill both ways)
#1718: May 9th 2014 at 8:39:16 PM

@1678,1679,1680,1683 (yes, I know some of those are my own posts): Non Archenemy Series Finale was put on the cutlist about two weeks ago, but the cutlist itself has been accumulating quite a backlog (I assume the people in charge of it are having their time consumed by that, what's it called, "life" lark people keep telling me about - must try it myself sometime, or so everyone tells me), so it hasn't been cut - and the troper who made the apparently unilateral decision to launch it is still tweaking it. A PM would seem to be in order, but should the subject be "Please come to YKTTW Crash Rescue to argue for the page's survival" or "The page has been voted cut, please don't make further edits"?

(I have removed the one wick to the page, on Villains, with an edit note saying that this thread voted to cut it and that appeals should be directed here. There are no inbounds at present.)

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1719: May 10th 2014 at 1:19:50 AM

~mlsmithca: When people keep editing cutlisted pages, you may want to ask for a Permanent Red Link Club membership here.

As for the Cut List, I've seen that some cut requests were processed a few days ago but only a minority. I am guessing - just guessing - that the backlog has become too long to be effectively processed.

Anyhow, worklist:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#1720: May 10th 2014 at 5:02:10 AM

{n.b. Eddie made a change to the way the cutlist worked, thinking it would make it simpler. It didn't and we got horribly backlogged — we're still trying to catch up.}

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1721: May 11th 2014 at 12:50:09 AM

~Madrugada: Huh. What kind of change?

Curiosity question aside, today's worklist:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
recharge138 Recharge138 from Iwakuni, Japan Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
Recharge138
#1722: May 12th 2014 at 9:20:00 PM

I created Laughably Easy Achievement, I'm not attached to the name. Was just tying to give it something saucy. So this is the smoky back room where all is decided, eh? Good to know. Appreciate the various PM's helping me out with some of the nuances of cross wicking and all that.

edited 12th May '14 9:21:11 PM by recharge138

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mlsmithca (Edited uphill both ways)
#1723: May 12th 2014 at 11:36:36 PM

@1720: That would explain the ever growing cutlist backlog. I presume life matters absorbing the time of the people who would be involved in resolving the problem are still a factor just the same, although I share Septimus' curiosity as to how the cutlist decision process was changed. (But perhaps that's need-to-know information, and non-mods don't need to know.)

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1724: May 13th 2014 at 12:01:03 AM

OK, sorry for the absence yesterday; I had a somewhat difficult day.

Also, mlsmithca, based on a PM conversation I had it seems they changed the Cut List so that everything could be processed in just one hit and only that way. Which created problems when a cut master wasn't sure about a particular page. Also, I've heard that they expanded the cut approve/deny ability to all moderators but one of them disagreed in the Edit Requests thread so I am not certain on that.

Anyhow, worklist for today is up. Today's main theme are stub tropes:

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Candi Sorcerer in training from Closer to rimward than hubward Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
Sorcerer in training
#1725: May 13th 2014 at 6:16:50 AM

...Murdering a Blackmailer Doesn't Count. This sounds like it would go under a trope where it's fine for a good guy to kill someone as long as they're a bad guy. And I find it really hard to believe that's never been brought up on the site.

One of Sherlock Holmes' stories was where he and Watson witnessed a woman shoot a blackmailer. (Holmes hates blackmailers.) Though Holmes eventually realizes who the lady is, he only tells Watson, and they both keep silence.

Crowning Moment Of Heartbreaking: Ditch it. Tearjerker already covers it.

edited 13th May '14 6:18:43 AM by Candi

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